Well, first of all, being beaten by 1 car length at 70 mph is hardly a "raping." Sure, it was not as close as you would have hoped, but it is hardly humiliation. Unfortunately, the results of your race are not out of the ordinary. Stock against stock, he should be about a car-length up on you by the end of the quarter mile IMO. I think by adding a few mods you will certainly give him a better run for his money.

Naturally, you are going to take a 3800 and/or a bonneville (over a Grand Am) anyday. After all, this is bonnevilleclub.com and not grandamgt.com. I will be the first to admit I would love for GM to start putting the 3800 engine in Grand Am GT’*, but for now the 3400 is the best engine the Grand Am gets. And, although it is not a full-grown 3800, it moves the Grand Am around town quite effectively.

I think many people choose the Grand Am GT over the top-of-the-line SSEi because of financial constraints. Some people simply do not have (or are not willing) to shell out the cash for a brand new SSEi over a GA GT. My SSEi is one hell of a car that is for sure. It is my 3rd Bonneville and I bought it because Bonneville’* are great cars. However, SSEi’* list for nearly 20 thousand dollars (Canadian) more than my GA GT was. IMO, some people question the mentality of spending the extra money for a car with relatively similar performance when they simply do not need the extra room or prestige.

I love this site. I think the people are great, the camaraderie has blown me away, and I find it truly amazing how so many people with a common interest can come together and help each other. And, there is no “trash talking” which most other car forums can’t purport to. I have both an SSEi and a GA GT like my signature says. Yes, I am biased. However, when someone’* Bonne gets beaten by a GA GT it seems to me that some people are quick to say “something went wrong” or make an excuse like “they are nice but I would rather have a 3800.” And, in my defense of GA GT’*, I get the distinct impression that people think I am a “traitor” of sorts.

Now, I am both a member here and at grandamgt.com. However, I more frequently turn to, read, and post on this site because it’* great for all of the reasons aforementioned. So, hypothetically, just as I would be very cautious about posting a thread in which I list the benefits of the Bonneville over the Aurora, since one of our moderators owns an Aurora, perhaps people can use the same discretion when speaking of GA GT’*. I know that, in addition to myself, there is, at least, one other member who owns one as well, in addition to his Bonneville.

Well said Galaxy, bear in mind that I posted a massive thread in the hopes of exploring the differences between the Aurora and the SSEi. Diversity is what makes this a great group. No matter what you drive, drive it with pride and we should all respect the qualities that each vehicle gives us.

Exactly. The vehicles we drive are just as diverse as we are. They all have qualities, good and bad. But it'* the bad as well as the good that gives each their individuality.

You know, I think you're absolutely right.

right on

....I think by adding a few mods you will certainly give him a better run for his money..... Galaxy, where should i start?? i've got about 200 dollars... and i want the best performance for the money... should i go with exhuast? intake?... and also... what does removing the MAF screen do... i've seen alot of people doing that... please let me know ASAP! thanx

OH geez, that thread incorporated every topic known to man before the DIE THREAD DIE pic was posted.....

I wouldn't remove the MAF screen in your case. You don't have an */C, and you won't gain anything, infact it'll hurt higher RPMS. You can gut the intake on your car a lot, and exhaust is somethign else you can modify a little. The pipe on our cars is perfect for the engine so you don't need to replace that,

i have a question for ya... how did you get raim air in your car?? did you do it yourself?? that is soemthing that i really want to do for my car... any tips??

Hehe.. Well actually it'* not a true ram air system but i have air pickups in my bumper opening, and it'* ducted to my intake. Not terribly efficient, but it gives it plenty of air when it needs it. For the tubing i just used some 3" dryer duct. members.cardomain.com/bonnieboimn

Gotta love dryer duct, its like duct tape, a million uses