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Old 08-21-2007, 01:06 AM   #21
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Those do look pretty bright though.
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They look cool for sure. Stock fogs didn't do anything anyway.
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But I still like the way they look. I, though, would not use them. The ones I've got on my carr are $20 Wal-Mart lights that shine almost blue and are pretty bright.

Well, I knew what those were the moment I saw them in the first post. I had just earlier seen a video showing them, but I didn't want to poison the well. It seems the well is pretty much restricted by police tape and smells too awful anyway by now, so here is a link to the video of the most common application of those lights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTLl7ch9lsA
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Go back to your pic of the lights lit up.

You're pretty close to that garage door and the light is already diverging to a pretty large diameter with 'dim' spots inbetween the bright spots. Your car is about 10' from the garage, and the projected light pattern is already nearly 3' in diameter on the garage.

If you buy a nice flashlight, are you going to tape a black piece of paper with 7 holes over it?

Those lights are putting out less light than my aftermarket $30 fogs, and they're scattering the light everywhere you don't want it.

The point I'm trying to make is they're not going to do much for you other than be different.
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Now we have have to Remember Something REALLY ! Big here....

Cameras Do not show you how bright a Light is.

They could be brighter then they look, just that his camera is "dimming" it down.


Now for what Wren is says, Yes i agree with 90% of it. But heres one thing i dont.
Yes its a wide beam pattern but because we dont know how "bright" they are in Real Life or compared to his heal lights we really dont know how good they are yet.

for a Fog/Flood light they may be ok and better then stock. But it is true, a $30 set of Cyber whites at Walmart will be better.


If we want to see how bright they really are, Go take out one of your Low beam bulbs and have the new Fog lights on the other side on and have the one Low beam on.
Lets see what that looks like at 15 or 20 feet from the wall
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The point I'm trying to make is they're not going to do much for you other than be different.
Point taken... it seems like he may be after the look and not light output.
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Bandit, the point you're missing is the light itself is 3-4" in diameter. But 10' away, the project 'daisy' pattern on the door is 36".

What'* it going to be at 20 feet?
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Bandit, the point you're missing is the light itself is 3-4" in diameter. But 10' away, the project 'daisy' pattern on the door is 36".

What'* it going to be at 20 feet?
that what we need to find out. What you keep forgetting is that even a Wide beam pattern can make some good light (better then stock) if its a bright enough bulb.

We really cant judge until there someone to compare agents.
Cameras can play tricks on eyes when it comes to lighting.
Many people have thought my pics i took of my SE at night with the LEDs thought where my headlights.
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Bandit, I don't need to see more than I already have to judge these lights, which is why I'm encouraging Mike to return them.

These 7 'lenses' don't have 7 individual reflectors behind them. They have a SINGLE parabolic feeding the light to 7 individual bubbles with a 'mask' between them that blocks 50% of the light. The remaining light is already diverging at an amazing rate.

Think about driving lights. Where do you want the light projected for the greatest effect? Brightness comes primarily from the source and how efficient it'* reflected and/or projected.

Assume the source is your typical H3 bulb (55W). That is the MOST light you can possibly get out of it. Now knock off 50% because the 'daisy' pattern. Now knock off the energy density further for the divergence (how big the pattern is 10' from the car). Now ignore any light in the upper and lower 1/4 that won't be anywhere near the road surface.
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Yes yes,,,, yes.... yea... and a yip...
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Bill i fully understand that and new how they are made, iv seem those in person, im just saying that they may not be as bad as they "look"

I know they suck compared to like 95% of the other members lights, but i just trying to get the point across that if he just wants someone better then stock... they "may" be better.

But yes, Lights like that do suck. and should not wast the $ on them because there is a lot better ones out there for the same or less $.
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