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Old 06-24-2004, 12:39 PM   #21
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If you want all options, forget the SC SE. They're hard to find anyway. SC SSE or SSEi only. And the SC models seem to be a bit more reliable and less prone to mechanical problems if well cared for.
Hmm....I don't think I agree with you on that one Bill. Seems that the SSEis have their own host of electrical issues that the SEs don't seem to have (simply because they have more features, which = more failure points).

Furthermore, the killer mileage stories of 200,000 plus on a SC isn't heard of as often as on a NA SE. There are many on this board who have 200K and even one that'* close to 400K on a NA SE!! Don't know of any SSEi with that high mileage....

I would say that the upper intake issue on the Series II NA is well worth the trade off for the longevity of a NA. Plus, with electrical gadgets, that'* less that can go wrong!
I'll argue in a friendly spirit. Even the L27 can have upper intake issues, including the bypass fitting. I've never had ANY electrical issues with anything on my car unique to the SSE or SSEi trim level, either.

The toughness of the beefed-up internals of the L67 are inarguable, as well.

The reason you don't see very many super-high mileage SSEi'* around here is that the SE'* outnumber the SSEi'* by about a 10:1 ratio, with only about 5,000 SSEi'* being produced each year. There just aren't as many to compare to, and the 300-400k SE is RARE. Most people ditch their SE'* after the 2nd or 3rd tranny.
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If you want all options, forget the SC SE. They're hard to find anyway. SC SSE or SSEi only. And the SC models seem to be a bit more reliable and less prone to mechanical problems if well cared for.
Hmm....I don't think I agree with you on that one Bill. Seems that the SSEis have their own host of electrical issues that the SEs don't seem to have (simply because they have more features, which = more failure points).

Furthermore, the killer mileage stories of 200,000 plus on a SC isn't heard of as often as on a NA SE. There are many on this board who have 200K and even one that'* close to 400K on a NA SE!! Don't know of any SSEi with that high mileage....

I would say that the upper intake issue on the Series II NA is well worth the trade off for the longevity of a NA. Plus, with electrical gadgets, that'* less that can go wrong!
I'll argue in a friendly spirit. Even the L27 can have upper intake issues, including the bypass fitting. I've never had ANY electrical issues with anything on my car unique to the SSE or SSEi trim level, either.

The toughness of the beefed-up internals of the L67 are inarguable, as well.

The reason you don't see very many super-high mileage SSEi'* around here is that the SE'* outnumber the SSEi'* by about a 10:1 ratio, with only about 5,000 SSEi'* being produced each year. There just aren't as many to compare to, and the 300-400k SE is RARE. Most people ditch their SE'* after the 2nd or 3rd tranny.
Still in friendly spirit....

But my main point wasn't captured in your reply! The SEs, IMO, are more bullet proof simply because there are less "gadgets". That means that there is less to go wrong! Plain and simple. We all know that things will go wrong over time. It just happens, but the less that can go wrong, the less money out of pocket for repairs.

That'* why I stick with the SEs...damn reliable, stylish, comfortable, powerful, and all the while I have less to worry about going wrong.
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May I insert a comment here? Thanks.

Why worry about one of the extra "gadgets" going wrong, when the vast majority never has had anything happen over these past 11 years? I understand completely what your saying, vital49. That is the general rule of thumb with electronics and machinery. The more parts you have, the more that can possibly go wrong. As with any such device or machinery, always check the track record.

I believe what Will is saying is that with these cars specifically, the "gadgets" don't come into play, because nothing goes wrong, coupled with the fact that the engine internals of the L67 are made from stronger steel, are forged, and are just all the way around tougher than the L27.

Thank you very much. :P
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if i might suggest looking at a Lincoln Mark VIII. the only thing you'll want to watch out for is the air suspension, if it'* bad, get the seller to fix it or get the car for a lot less. but the car has quite adaquate power from it'* DOHC 4.6L V8
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