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Old 02-22-2008, 02:19 AM   #31
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People don't go to court over it. They're fined. Period.
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...anyone going to court and/or being fined by the EPA...
It'* good there'* still interest in this, and I'm now going to contact my former professor, Abdul-Hakim Shabazz, who has appeared on national news channels and has his own radio show. He'* so involved with the government that the day George W. Bush came to Indianapolis, we didn't have class because Abdul had to be his bodyguard and Indianapolis representative.

This is it, guys! I'm pulling the Abdul card!
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Giant bump. I have heard back from neither the EPA nor Abdul. It seems no one at all wants to provide any information on catalytic converter fines. I lost the $10 bet, too. I was told the police here have no ability to fine someone for not having a catalytic converter, so I can take off all the cats from my cars until Indiana starts emissions testing. Of course, I won't do that.

Could someone please point me to any documentation or any other form of information to show a person in a non-emissions testing state can get fined for removing catalytic converters? Sure, shops can't, but I can't find anything that shows privately removed cats leading to fines.
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Sure, shops can't, but I can't find anything that shows privately removed cats leading to fines.
removing the cat is violating a federal law, punishable by a fine...

with that being said, removing cats and installing performance parts is nothing new....it'* been going on for decades. i'd say you have a better chance getting struck by lightning than being caught without a cat. but at the same time you have to know full well that if you're caught...you gotta pay up

even in some emission states, they don't do a visual test for cats...only the sniffer and pcm test(for emission related codes). i've seen cars pass emission tests without cats....the regulations aren't that strict.
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From all that I've heard so far, people who have been caught have just said that they bought their cars like that. I'm sure someone'* responsible for putting a cat back on there, but they can just as easily be removed again.

The $10 bet was that I can show in Indiana it'* possible both to have a person who took out his cat on his own be fined and for the person who reported him to get $250 as a reward. So far, absolutely neither has been shown to be true at all.
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