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Old 02-05-2008, 07:30 PM   #1
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I've read here that if person B reports person A for removing car A'* catalytic converter, person B gets $250. What'* the process for this? Does that mean that someone from the EPA comes out with a warrant to look at person A'* car and then takes him to court in front of a judge to fine you enough to pay for the court fees, the inspection, the $250 award that person B gets? I don't really understand the process.

I believe I know that certified shops cannot offer the service of removing catalytic converters, but I'm not aware of the process of fining one party and rewarding the other. Money is fairly tight, and for $250 to be flying around here and there to people who simply call someone in is a bit strange. Who can clarify this?

Also, I've got a $10 bet that the $250 award to person B is true, so please help!
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So, you're saying what... that you are going to start calling on people that are running without a cat because you are short on money

Sounds like nothing but trouble will come from this.......
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any information you may have read on this forum regarding a "reward for turning someone in" is not accurate.

Its the muffler shops that get fined.

Its the emissions or inspections test you fail, you are not fined even if you dont have a cat, you just cant drive your car till you get one put on.

The EPA does not offer rewards for narcing people out.
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Yes, they do Hans. It'* the owner'* responsibility for the Cat, UNLESS they have proof the work was done by a shop. My own exhaust guy has used it a few times.

There is a reward process because the guilty will get fined for that and more.

Doing it for the reasons stated in this topic is pretty low.
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Reasons stated? I'm not looking to make money on the cheap. I've got the bet going because I agree with willwren, as I've read a few times how he'* warned others about posting their cat delete. If it is true, I'm not going to go hunting for catless cars. Really.

In another hypothetical situation, what if I were to take out the cats from both of my Bonnevilles, my Alero that my sister drives, the company Aerostar (whoo!), and my parents' Sable? Let'* say that, hypothetically, I were to take one of the cars to Wal Mart for an oil change, and one of the guys there figures he would like the extra $250. You can see this is hypothetical because I do my own oil changes.

So, what'* the process now that I'm person A in this? Person B has to do what to call it, is this a law that covers Indiana, is it a federal law, and how does the process of fining person A go?
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Simple answer.

Your family either rats you out as the guilty (and you get fined for each infraction) or you take the high road and take it on the chin for your family since you're guilty.
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All right. Well, I haven't taken out the catalytic converters. However, I still would like to know what would be the process for the fining of anyone who has taken out a cat, and where can I read about this?

Since I first read when someone bragged about a cat delete and willwren came by to tell him not to post about it, I've been interested in where I can find more information about this. The point is that I see a lot of people are told not to post about deleted catalytic converters, and others have it in their signatures for months or so.

Is it state specific? Indiana doesn't have inspections, so are we free to go catless?
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It'* a Federal law in all 50 States regardless of emissions or inspections. I have neither, and it'* still required because I live in the US. Canadian cars visiting are exempt.

We frown upon in here because we don't condone illegal activity on this Forum. If you have an issue with that policy (which was started by the Site Owner/Founder almost 6 years ago), PM an Admin to discuss it.

We know it'* bad for performance in most cases, we know it pollutes more than if you left it on, and we know it'* illegal. We will continue to frown on it and post warnings.
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That is an excellent answer, and thank you very much for clarifying.

And now to explain some about this. Both Bonnevilles have catalytic converters, but I think the 94'* is about due for replacement. I went to an exhaust shop recently, and the guy at the counter seemed a bit irritated about answering questions concerning how much it would cost to redo the catalytic converters on the Sable and the one on my 94. I say this considering that he was looking around and trying to do other things in a relatively calm shop, so I may have been "wasting his time." Do people just not get their cats replaced? I could also have had something stuck between my teeth, but that is unusual.

So, is there some place on http://www.usa.gov/ or the like where I can read more about this catalytic converter law and how come it affects everyone? The puzzling part of it for me is how come the EPA has jurisdiction to come by and check that your car does have a catalytic converter.
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Do people just not get their cats replaced? I could also have had something stuck between my teeth, but that is unusual.
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The puzzling part of it for me is how come the EPA has jurisdiction to come by and check that your car does have a catalytic converter.
1.) Find another muffler shop. If the fellow doesn't want to work on your car, take your business elsewhere (check the mirror..is that spinich in your teeth? )

Replacing cats is fairly common. Les so these days as cats have been getting better, but still, they have a usefull life, just like the muffler and any other part of the car.

2.) The EPA is part of the Federal government. They have juristiction anywhere in the US. I doubt they will give priority to checking your cat becouse somebody blew you in on a tip...I would kinda hope they get their priorities straight and go investigate somebody dumping 55 gallon drums of toxic waste into a river...but hey, they are the government, whadaya expect. They operate an online form for blowing the whistle on anybody you want to report for violating enviromental laws.

Home plate for them is: www.epa.gov
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