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Old 03-22-2007, 01:34 AM   #21
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Look how that thing is sitting. The front cylinder bank is almost straight up and down while the rear cylinder bank is laying way back. They're probably going to skoot the rear cylinder bank way back passed the fire wall; making it real fun to change spark plugs.
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Look how that thing is sitting. The front cylinder bank is almost straight up and down while the rear cylinder bank is laying way back. They're probably going to skoot the rear cylinder bank way back passed the fire wall; making it real fun to change spark plugs.
If you look closely, all FWD engines lean a bit. The reason is the direction the motor twists due to torque coupled with forward movement of the car. It helps in balance of the crank rotation, among many other things, including even combustion.

That'* a way oversimplified explanation, but I wasn't going to go too far off-topic. :P
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Was it the best V6? I don't know if i'd say that, but it'* the SBC of GM V6'*.
No other V6 ever produced made that list.

Here are the engines that made the 20th century'* top 10 list: (snipped)
6. General Motors Corp. Buick 90* V-6 (1962)

There you have it. So, I beg to differ... It is the best V6.
Couple of counter-points. The way i read that, it'* not saying 3800, that'* saying the 90* Buick family, of which the 3800 is in, but also way back to '62, and GN engines. This is also just one group'* opinion. The 3800 hasn't been on the yearly wards 10 best engine list since 97. The Nissan VQ engine is the only engine to have been present on the list every year since the list began in 1995.

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Wards 10 best 2006[/url]]Nissan'* V-6 wins an unprecendented 12th Ward'* 10 Best Engines award.
On that list i'm a fan of...
BMW AG 3L DOHC I-6 (No intro needed)
Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (even better with the 3.7 and 4.0 models coming soon..)
General Motors Corp. 2.8L Turbocharged DOHC V-6 (Saab only currently)
Toyota Motor Corp.(LEXUS) 3.5L DOHC V-6 (306HP, ULEV II, and smooth as silk)

In '07 I expect the SIDI 2.0 Turbo Ecotec (Sol GXP/Sky RL) to replace the 2.0 SC Ecotec engine. It makes 60 more rated HP, is held back even more, and has IMMENSE technological improvements over damn near any turbo engine.

Beg all you want James

But yes i still love it. Easy to work on, easy to maintain, cheap, effective.
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What? Who'* begging? I was just pointing out a neat article. In the article, it did in fact state specifically the 3800 90* Buick V6.

Are you just being argumentative to be argumentative?


**EDIT** Please excuse my above comments, Jason. Didn't mean it that way. I was under some pretty bad pain last night. You'd think that 5 prescriptions of pain-killers and muscle relaxers would cover any pain, hehe.
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I'm just happy that they're still going to make push rod motors.

Why? Because I love roller lifters and roller rockers.
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Look guys I am a huge buick V6 Fan...

But if you rip into an L36 you'll swear they learned a thing or 2 from chevy with the Series II/III

They are getting the Pushrod 60* engines to make more and more power... 217 Hp and 220 Ft Lbs from a 3500 that can easily have a sticker EPA rating of 32 Hwy when attached to 3.05 gears... I'm pretty impressed with that... But I'd have to ditch the torque management


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In '07 I expect the SIDI 2.0 Turbo Ecotec (Sol GXP/Sky RL) to replace the 2.0 SC Ecotec engine. It makes 60 more rated HP

what'* the powerband look like on it though?


does it sacrafice any low end replacing the sc for a turbo?
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3800 discussion only, please.
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Was it the best V6? I don't know if i'd say that, but it'* the SBC of GM V6'*.
No other V6 ever produced made that list.

Here are the engines that made the 20th century'* top 10 list: (snipped)
6. General Motors Corp. Buick 90* V-6 (1962)

There you have it. So, I beg to differ... It is the best V6.
Couple of counter-points. The way i read that, it'* not saying 3800, that'* saying the 90* Buick family, of which the 3800 is in, but also way back to '62, and GN engines. This is also just one group'* opinion. The 3800 hasn't been on the yearly wards 10 best engine list since 97. The Nissan VQ engine is the only engine to have been present on the list every year since the list began in 1995.
In the articel, it seemed to me to be specifically stating the 3800 V6. It was the 3800 that Buick sold to Kaiser-Jeep, then bought back later and refined. Like the article said, the 3800 is the poster-child of a bad idea gone good. The article stated a V6 that was made by taking a V8 and chopping off the last 2 cylinders. From a 5.0L, subtract two cylinders, you get 3.8L.

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Wards 10 best 2006[/url]]Nissan'* V-6 wins an unprecendented 12th Ward'* 10 Best Engines award.
We're talking about two different lists here. They have a monthly or so list that comes out, yes. And, you're right, the last year of the 3800 was '97. The 3800 made the top 10 of the 20th century. We're now in the 21st century, so any lists since 2000 is not part of this discussion.

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On that list i'm a fan of...
BMW AG 3L DOHC I-6 (No intro needed)
Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (even better with the 3.7 and 4.0 models coming soon..)
General Motors Corp. 2.8L Turbocharged DOHC V-6 (Saab only currently)
Toyota Motor Corp.(LEXUS) 3.5L DOHC V-6 (306HP, ULEV II, and smooth as silk)

In '07 I expect the SIDI 2.0 Turbo Ecotec (Sol GXP/Sky RL) to replace the 2.0 SC Ecotec engine. It makes 60 more rated HP, is held back even more, and has IMMENSE technological improvements over damn near any turbo engine.

Beg all you want James

But yes i still love it. Easy to work on, easy to maintain, cheap, effective.
As I mentioned above, we're talking Top 10 of the 20th century. Anything since the year 2000 is not part of this discussion.
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They are getting the Pushrod 60* engines to make more and more power... 217 Hp and 220 Ft Lbs from a 3500 that can easily have a sticker EPA rating of 32 Hwy when attached to 3.05 gears... I'm pretty impressed with that... But I'd have to ditch the torque management
My 1993 Chrysler 3.5 made nearly identical numbers (SOHC by the way). If it had the proper gearing, I'm sure it could get similar MPG numbers too.

I think GM makes some of the best V8s around but their V6s have been disappointing me for years.
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