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Old 03-21-2007, 03:12 PM   #11
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Well its kinda sad. Hopefully these newer engines will be as durable as the 3800 has been over the years...and it certainly looks like GM is making their transmissions a bit stronger.

But its not like we have to abandon the 3800 altogether. They can always be rebuilt or remanufactured and you can start the fun all over again.

It will be interesting in the day when us Bonneville enthusiatsts will be drivin the remaining SSEis on the planet. No one else will give a damn anymore about em.
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:01 PM   #12
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or they can just pull a move like ford is doing with taurus and sable...build the new engine in 2009 and keep the 3800 name because of it'* heritage and beacuse it is more well known with consumers.

EDIT: I swear wjcollier our bonnevilles look like twins with different color shirts on
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:17 PM   #13
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Its a shame to loose the 3800... I have said it a handfull of times... I wished that GM would have kept the 3800 and went to the DOHC design.... Would have been a stout little motor..

But way way back when GM had decided that it wasn't going to keep the 60* and 90* V6'*... One of them had to go...

GM killed off the 3.0 Buick 90*, Last year for it was 87 iirc..

The 3300 came out in 89 and ended in 93 in favor of the Chevy 3100... The last engine left was the 3800... 3800 Series will have run from 88-09.... Thats 22 model years... The GM 3.8 has had a long run..

After driving Sandrocks 3500 Malibu a bit, I am decently impressed with the 3500-3900 series If GM didn't have it sooo managed it would be a lot of fun

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Old 03-21-2007, 11:32 PM   #14
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The 3800'* are heavy V6 engines, there'* no way around it, especially with a supercharger ontop. Aluminum block/head engines are just as reliable as iron engines these days, and a new engine generation in the 60* engines allows them to incorporate a lot of things like VVT and what not. The 90 degree angle also makes it wider than larger displacement 60* engines. A 90 * V6 is also inherently less balanced than a 60* V6.

Was the 3800 a good engine series? Hell yes. Was it the best V6? I don't know if i'd say that, but it'* the SBC of GM V6'*. Can't kill it, in tons of vehicles, and has some decent power. It'* a workhorse for sure
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Great motor. I'm sure it will be around a long time, just like the SBC.

Engines like the 3.6 VVT and 3500 make more or just as much power as the 3.8 in a smaller displacement. Time and technology have outdated the motor. I still love it though.
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Also keep in mind that the DOHC motors may not have the most impressive numbers, but the way they make their HP and torque is substantially different than the pushrod style.
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the 3800 is like the famous Mother in Law.

You can't kill her
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Now my question are they going to put then in 08 or 09 mailbu'*,beacuase if they are I am so buying one. My wife wants a newer mailbu anyway
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BonneMeMN
Was it the best V6? I don't know if i'd say that, but it'* the SBC of GM V6'*.
It'* in the top 10 of the 20th century'* best engines according to Ward'* AutoWorld. That'* no slouch considering that "during a 2-month testing period, Ward'* editors evaluate each engine according to a number of objective and subjective criteria in everyday driving situations there is no instrumented testing. The selection takes into account power and torque output, noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) levels, technical relevance and basic comparative numbers. Each engine competes against all others."

No other V6 ever produced made that list.

Originally GM had set the date to end the 3800 for January 1, 2005, however due to the vast number of complaints from both investors and customers because of the popularity and reliability of the engine, the date was extended. Production of the 3800 V6 is unofficially scheduled to end on January 1, 2009.

Here are the engines that made the 20th century'* top 10 list:

1. Ford Motor Co. Model T Inline-4 (1909)
2. General Motors Corp. Cadillac V-8s (1915)
3. Ford L-Head V-8 (1932)
4. Volkswagen AG Flat-4 (1945)
5. General Motors Corp. Chevrolet Small Block V-8 (1955)
6. General Motors Corp. Buick 90* V-6 (1962)
7. Porsche AG Flat-6 (1964)
8. BMW AG Inline-6s (196
9. Honda Motor Co. Ltd. CVCC Inline-4 (1975)
10. Toyota Motor Corp. Lexus V-8 (1990)

There you have it. So, I beg to differ... It is the best V6.


Here'* a link to the article. It is very interesting reading.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._62949287/pg_1
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by BonneMeMN
Was it the best V6? I don't know if i'd say that, but it'* the SBC of GM V6'*.
It'* in the top 10 of the 20th century'* best engines according to Ward'* AutoWorld. That'* no slouch considering that "during a 2-month testing period, Ward'* editors evaluate each engine according to a number of objective and subjective criteria in everyday driving situations – there is no instrumented testing. The selection takes into account power and torque output, noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) levels, technical relevance and basic comparative numbers. Each engine competes against all others."

No other V6 ever produced made that list.

Originally GM had set the date to end the 3800 for January 1, 2005, however due to the vast number of complaints from both investors and customers because of the popularity and reliability of the engine, the date was extended. Production of the 3800 V6 is unofficially scheduled to end on January 1, 2009.

Here are the engines that made the 20th century'* top 10 list:

1. Ford Motor Co. Model T Inline-4 (1909)
2. General Motors Corp. Cadillac V-8s (1915)
3. Ford L-Head V-8 (1932)
4. Volkswagen AG Flat-4 (1945)
5. General Motors Corp. Chevrolet Small Block V-8 (1955)
6. General Motors Corp. Buick 90* V-6 (1962)
7. Porsche AG Flat-6 (1964)
8. BMW AG Inline-6s (196
9. Honda Motor Co. Ltd. CVCC Inline-4 (1975)
10. Toyota Motor Corp. Lexus V-8 (1990)

There you have it. So, I beg to differ... It is the best V6.


Here'* a link to the article. It is very interesting reading.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._62949287/pg_1
well if you take out all the motors not put in stock vehicles today then is ACTUALLY is the top of the list isnt it?
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