Well its kinda sad. Hopefully these newer engines will be as durable as the 3800 has been over the years...and it certainly looks like GM is making their transmissions a bit stronger.

But its not like we have to abandon the 3800 altogether. They can always be rebuilt or remanufactured and you can start the fun all over again.

It will be interesting in the day when us Bonneville enthusiatsts will be drivin the remaining SSEis on the planet. No one else will give a damn anymore about em.

or they can just pull a move like ford is doing with taurus and sable...build the new engine in 2009 and keep the 3800 name because of it'* heritage and beacuse it is more well known with consumers.

EDIT: I swear wjcollier our bonnevilles look like twins with different color shirts on

The 3800'* are heavy V6 engines, there'* no way around it, especially with a supercharger ontop. Aluminum block/head engines are just as reliable as iron engines these days, and a new engine generation in the 60* engines allows them to incorporate a lot of things like VVT and what not. The 90 degree angle also makes it wider than larger displacement 60* engines. A 90 * V6 is also inherently less balanced than a 60* V6.

Was the 3800 a good engine series? Hell yes. Was it the best V6? I don't know if i'd say that, but it'* the SBC of GM V6'*. Can't kill it, in tons of vehicles, and has some decent power. It'* a workhorse for sure

Great motor. I'm sure it will be around a long time, just like the SBC.

Engines like the 3.6 VVT and 3500 make more or just as much power as the 3.8 in a smaller displacement. Time and technology have outdated the motor. I still love it though.

Also keep in mind that the DOHC motors may not have the most impressive numbers, but the way they make their HP and torque is substantially different than the pushrod style.

the 3800 is like the famous Mother in Law.

You can't kill her

Now my question are they going to put then in 08 or 09 mailbu'*,beacuase if they are I am so buying one. My wife wants a newer mailbu anyway

It'* in the top 10 of the 20th century'* best engines according to Ward'* AutoWorld. That'* no slouch considering that "during a 2-month testing period, Ward'* editors evaluate each engine according to a number of objective and subjective criteria in everyday driving situations – there is no instrumented testing. The selection takes into account power and torque output, noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) levels, technical relevance and basic comparative numbers. Each engine competes against all others."

No other V6 ever produced made that list.

Originally GM had set the date to end the 3800 for January 1, 2005, however due to the vast number of complaints from both investors and customers because of the popularity and reliability of the engine, the date was extended. Production of the 3800 V6 is unofficially scheduled to end on January 1, 2009.

Here are the engines that made the 20th century'* top 10 list:

1. Ford Motor Co. Model T Inline-4 (1909)
2. General Motors Corp. Cadillac V-8s (1915)
3. Ford L-Head V-8 (1932)
4. Volkswagen AG Flat-4 (1945)
5. General Motors Corp. Chevrolet Small Block V-8 (1955)
6. General Motors Corp. Buick 90* V-6 (1962)
7. Porsche AG Flat-6 (1964)
8. BMW AG Inline-6s (196
9. Honda Motor Co. Ltd. CVCC Inline-4 (1975)
10. Toyota Motor Corp. Lexus V-8 (1990)

There you have it. So, I beg to differ... It is the best V6.


Here'* a link to the article. It is very interesting reading.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._62949287/pg_1

well if you take out all the motors not put in stock vehicles today then is ACTUALLY is the top of the list isnt it?