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Old 10-15-2005, 01:49 PM   #11
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Default air struts with my soft suspension

On my FE1 car, I put rear air struts in her, and had trouble getting it to sit level, even with minimum air in them. Is that because it has middle of the road rears for FE1? And with the front being "dead soft", would I be wise to run the front springs from the F41 car and the rears from the FE1 car with airt struts? Or is that crazy? Now, what would happen if I used the F41 on all fours with air struts? Why did they do this crazy stuff? Mike
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On my FE1 car, I put rear air struts in her, and had trouble getting it to sit level, even with minimum air in them. Is that because it has middle of the road rears for FE1? And with the front being "dead soft", would I be wise to run the front springs from the F41 car and the rears from the FE1 car with airt struts? Or is that crazy? Now, what would happen if I used the F41 on all fours with air struts? Why did they do this crazy stuff? Mike
if you ran with the F41 on the front and the FE1 on the Back you would encounter a MAJOR mismatch....and is really not recommended...if you ran the F41 all the way around it would be stiff...the air really dosnet have anything to do with the ride unless you have stuff in the trunk that would cause the rear to sag
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Default Re: final measure on F41 / FE1 springs

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This is going to get really confusing in a minute...

The front springsFor your FE1 are the softest FE1 setting, or lowest load rating for the FE1, The rear RRW Is the middle setting for the FE1 rear springs..

The CJB is the lowest load rating for the F41 front spring, The rear F41 could be RSF,RSE,RSD,RSC,RSB or RSA... Not sure which one... There are a totall of 3 load ratings from highest to lowest for these springs...

My 95 also has RRW springs in the rear as well I think my 91 does too...

It gets weirder...

The Front suspension springs for the front are at times grouped...

The rear springs FE2 and F41 are seperate, they are not grouped together...

The earlier years LE/SE with F41 and SSE with FE2 Front springs are grouped... But the rear FE2 and F41 were not... weird

I wonder how much of a diffrence the rear air struts on the FE2 suspension made... Keep in mind that the F41 did not use air struts in the rear...
That is darned confusing. Are these codes and their meanings posted somewhere? I looked in Techinfo and didn't see it. Could all of this information be compiled and gently explained and stored in Techinfo for all to see and appreciate? It'* like the one thing that isn't there yet.
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Could all of this information be compiled and gently explained and stored in Techinfo for all to see and appreciate? It'* like the one thing that isn't there yet.
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Default Re: final measure on F41 / FE1 springs

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This is going to get really confusing in a minute...

The front springsFor your FE1 are the softest FE1 setting, or lowest load rating for the FE1, The rear RRW Is the middle setting for the FE1 rear springs..

The CJB is the lowest load rating for the F41 front spring, The rear F41 could be RSF,RSE,RSD,RSC,RSB or RSA... Not sure which one... There are a totall of 3 load ratings from highest to lowest for these springs...

My 95 also has RRW springs in the rear as well I think my 91 does too...

It gets weirder...

The Front suspension springs for the front are at times grouped...

The rear springs FE2 and F41 are seperate, they are not grouped together...

The earlier years LE/SE with F41 and SSE with FE2 Front springs are grouped... But the rear FE2 and F41 were not... weird

I wonder how much of a diffrence the rear air struts on the FE2 suspension made... Keep in mind that the F41 did not use air struts in the rear...
That is darned confusing. Are these codes and their meanings posted somewhere? I looked in Techinfo and didn't see it. Could all of this information be compiled and gently explained and stored in Techinfo for all to see and appreciate? It'* like the one thing that isn't there yet.
Oh man the spring codes are a nightmare.... Its strange... Example, in 1990-1991 the rear springs could be one of several... But lets just look at RRW, The 90-91 could have the RRW springs in the rear... Now the same goes for the 92-93-94-95... I have RRW springs in the rear of both of my cars... RRW is the midgrade FE1 rear spring...

Then we get to the front springs... Oh nevermind.... when I find more time I'll have to get all of the codes listed... certain springs were used for several years, and not always the year they were listed in...

90-91 was weird... There was a change to the front Spring/ Strut, I think the change was midyear or early in the year as for the 90 models there are 2 diffrent style springs listed that along with a diffrent front strut...

The best thing we can really do is measure all of the 87-99 springs possible, top, center and bottom, Knowing the diffrent suspension RPO FE1,FE2, F41, and in incredibly rare cases FE3...

The spring codes 6--, 7--, 8--, 9--, are all computer selected at the factory for that particular car.... as of yet we haven't learned to decifer them... But as time goes on we learn a little more...

Just like the info that Troyport has posted, this well help us learn what to look for...

This may turn into a long winded thread full of good info...

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Default possible reason for different springs

For example, my '93 FE1. That car is an SE with the SLE packages. It has the mid-range springs in the rear. I wouldn't be suprised that this is because it is a "sportier" SE. I would bet that your typical "grandma" '93 SE, you know, cloth seats, column shift, 15" wheels and hubcaps, would have the softest stuff all around. Although this is confusing, I bet if we rounded up all the info we could, then grouped it, we would find some common things. Someone find a barebones SE and see what it has... Mike
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For example, my '93 FE1. That car is an SE with the SLE packages. It has the mid-range springs in the rear. I wouldn't be suprised that this is because it is a "sportier" SE. I would bet that your typical "grandma" '93 SE, you know, cloth seats, column shift, 15" wheels and hubcaps, would have the softest stuff all around. Although this is confusing, I bet if we rounded up all the info we could, then grouped it, we would find some common things. Someone find a barebones SE and see what it has... Mike
i know a member that we can ask that fits that car description....
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I have a barebones 93 SE parts car. I need to get a hold of some calipers to get a good measurement, though.
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