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Old 04-27-2007, 03:45 PM   #11
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What has me stumped is it has only thrown the code once? cause on the second fail it would send a CEL right?

Could this have been caused by my dead battery the other day? I honestly don't think so unless the fail was when i went to start the car but I did that 3 or 4 times...
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Now that You all have made me dizzy,..... The GXP does Not share the same alternator as the 3800. The 3800 uses Napa #139190, the GXP uses#139187. From viewing other parts sources as well, I can safely say they are not the same , Or interchangable.

Vehicle:2005 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE V6-231ci 3.8L F/I Vin K
Product:Electrical - Alternator & Voltage Regulator
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ACDELCO US Generator $292.51
Alternator/Generator; 140 Amp (KG9) ; 140 ; Amps ; Except Bonneville Gxp (Wa2);Years: 2004-2005 ;Qty Per Vehicle:1

Anybody care to move it again.
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no its here and not in a specific place lol
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Anythiing and everything you need to know about P0622 for our N* cars;

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DTC P0622

Circuit Description
The powertrain control module (PCM) uses the generator field duty cycle signal circuit to monitor the duty cycle of the generator. The generator field duty cycle signal circuit connects to the high side of the field winding in the generator. A pulse width modulated (PWM) high side driver in the voltage regulator turns the field winding ON and OFF. The PCM uses the PWM signal input to determine the generator load on the engine. This allows the PCM to adjust the idle speed to compensate for high electrical loads.

The PCM monitors the state of the generator field duty cycle signal circuit. When the key is in the RUN position and the engine is OFF, the PCM should detect a duty cycle near 0 percent. However, when the engine is running, the duty cycle should be between 5 percent and 100 percent. The PCM monitors the PWM signal using a key ON test and a RUN test. During the tests, if the PCM detects an out of range PWM signal, DTC P0622 will set. When the DTC sets, the PCM will send a class 2 serial data message to the instrument panel cluster (IPC) to illuminate the charge indicator.

Conditions for Running the DTC
Key ON Test
No generator, crankshaft position (CKP) sensors, or camshaft position (CMP) sensor DTCs are set.
The key is in the RUN position.
The engine is not running.
Run Test
No generator, CKP sensors, or CMP sensor DTCs are set.
The engine is less than 3,000 RPM.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
During the key ON test, the PCM detects a PWM signal greater than 65 percent for at least 5 seconds.

OR

During the RUN test, the PCM detects a PWM signal less than 5 percent for at least 15 seconds.

Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The PCM will not illuminate the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL)
The PCM will store the conditions present when the DTC set as Fail Records data only.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
The history DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles have occurred without a malfunction.
The DTC can be cleared by using the scan tool Clear DTC Information function.
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Values
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Schematic Reference: Starting and Charging Schematics

Connector End View Reference: Engine Controls Connector End Views in Engine Controls - 4.6L or Engine Electrical Connector End Views


Step 1
Did you perform the Engine Electrical Diagnostic System Check?

Yes: Go to Step 2
No: Go to Diagnostic System Check - Engine Electrical

Step 2
Install a scan tool.
Start the engine.
With a scan tool, observe the GEN - F Terminal parameter in the PCM data list .
Does the scan tool indicate that the GEN - F Terminal parameter is within the specified range?
Specified Range: 5-95%

Yes: Go to Step 3
No: Go to Step 4

Step 3
With the scan tool command the generator OFF.

Does the GEN - F Terminal equal the specified value?
Specified value: 0%

Yes: Go to Testing for Intermittent and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems
No: Go to Step 4

Step 4
Turn OFF the ignition.
Disconnect the generator connector.
Connect test lamp to battery positive voltage.
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Probe the F-Terminal in the generator connector.
Observe the GEN - F Terminal Signal parameter in the PCM data list.
Is the GEN - F Terminal Signal parameter near the specified value?
Specified value: 100%

Yes: Go to Charging System Test
No: Go to Step 5

Step 5
Test the generator field duty cycle signal circuit for a short or open. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?

Yes: Go to Step 8
No: Go to Step 6

Step 6
Inspect for poor connections at the harness connector of the powertrain control module (PCM). Refer to Connector Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?

Yes: Go to Step 8
No: Go to Step 7

Step 7

Important
The replacement PCM must be programmed.

Replace the PCM. Refer to Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Replacement in Engine Controls - 4.6L.

Did you complete the repair?

Yes: Go to Step 8

Step 8
Review and record the scan tool Fail Records data.
Clear any DTCs.
Operate the vehicle within the Fail Records conditions as noted.
Using a scan tool, monitor the Specific DTC info for this DTC.
Does the scan tool indicate that this DTC failed this ignition?

Yes: Go to Step 2
No: System OK
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And for what it'* worth any P0 code is NOT a generic code. There are many serious and common codes that are P0. The "P" parts stands for "Powetrain" which if there is a code present can have some adverse affect on emissions, which is why the OBDII system is throwing it.

Less serious codes such as from your BCM, or other non-emissions based controller are the generic codes.
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