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Old Dec 29, 2021 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by OldsManiac1990
M1600001 M1626500 - vin breakpoints

TSB 91-8-50 & REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM: SORP 09/19/90 91-10-37 OPTION AUO


On your vin number, your serial end of it, is it fall in the range of the first two things
What breakpoints do you mean? My VIN has M1667399. What does it meam according to what you have written?
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Old Dec 29, 2021 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OldsManiac1990
I think I saw this article some time ago. When I search for part 25602655 on ebay, I find nothing. When I search for 25602654 for Oldsmobile, I find a lot of RAC/BCM/MALL module or whatever its called but this module from Olds has only 2 connectors. One blue 8 pin connector is missing. In my research I found, that this connector is connected with passkey module, Security indicator on dashboard and maybe with something else.

I also found this on one website.

Any module from these should work, but I wonder if my remote keys will work. I have 25536705, which work, but cant pair keys from second car for spare parts with module number 25615095, which worked for 2 days when I replaced it.
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Old Dec 29, 2021 | 04:35 PM
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just to try to clarify. the module you show here is an RKE, Remote Keyless Entry. that'* what works your key fobs so you are on the right track. you have a BCM and a ECM also but I don't think they are the problem.
The RKE also works your interior lights when you unlock the doors. but only when it'* dark. if it'* light outside your interior lights won't come on.
Now, the key fobs did work for 2 days. or at least that one time when you put the 92 module in. so that makes me think they won't work with the 91 receiver.
After 2 days and they stopped working, did you try pairing them again with the 92 module? and when they wouldn't pair, would the door locks work from the door panel buttons? I think everything goes through the RKE, so if it was bad they wouldn't work.
did you check the batteries of the key fobs?
and lastly, according to the service bulletin OldsManiac posted you have a RAC, remote accessory control module. I don't know if this in addition to a Keep Alive Memory Module or not , but that may have something to do with this. by the way, I don't think the KAM would cause any of this.
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Originally Posted by TommyB
just to try to clarify. the module you show here is an RKE, Remote Keyless Entry. that'* what works your key fobs so you are on the right track. you have a BCM and a ECM also but I don't think they are the problem.
The RKE also works your interior lights when you unlock the doors. but only when it'* dark. if it'* light outside your interior lights won't come on.
Now, the key fobs did work for 2 days. or at least that one time when you put the 92 module in. so that makes me think they won't work with the 91 receiver.
After 2 days and they stopped working, did you try pairing them again with the 92 module? and when they wouldn't pair, would the door locks work from the door panel buttons? I think everything goes through the RKE, so if it was bad they wouldn't work.
did you check the batteries of the key fobs?
and lastly, according to the service bulletin OldsManiac posted you have a RAC, remote accessory control module. I don't know if this in addition to a Keep Alive Memory Module or not , but that may have something to do with this. by the way, I don't think the KAM would cause any of this.

Ok, lets say that my parts are RKE/RAC and BCM and ECM are ok. I call it BCM because I found similar part only when I searched for BCMs.

I know that interior lights was working with both RAC during day and night. I think it sould be because I have EU version they have different exterior lights, so maybe interrior, too.

I tried pair keys again with 92 module, but nothing wasnt working. When I put back module from 91 PA, interior lights start immediately shining.

I also think that keys from 92 are incompatibile with 91 receiver, but there is one more think I am thinking about. When I bought 91 PA, it had 3rd party remote receiver and remote key, so there are 2 variants, why previous owner installed custom receiver module: 1. He lost original remote keys. 2. Some part from RAC stopped working and receiving signal from keys, but other parts from RAC contined to work.

After 92 module stopped working, I didnt try buttons on door panel. I will try it tomorrow and I will let you know.

Batteries are good, I have changed them when when I bought 92 PA for spare parts. It was in spring, I think.

And I agree with you that KAM propably isnt problem.
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I think the door lock buttons inside the car will work even if the RKE module is bad. I looked in my manual and saw that was the case. (91 Olds Toronado) your car and mine are very, very similar. so most of the systems should be the same. though I don't have a RAC. and you program your key fobs differently.
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Originally Posted by TommyB
I think the door lock buttons inside the car will work even if the RKE module is bad. I looked in my manual and saw that was the case. (91 Olds Toronado) your car and mine are very, very similar. so most of the systems should be the same. though I don't have a RAC. and you program your key fobs differently.
Door panel buttons worked even without RAC. They also worked with both my RACs connected, so door buttons are propably directly connected with door locks through fuse box. Then I conneced 92 RAC module, Jumper terminal A and G on OBD connector and I couldnt get into pairing mode for remote keys. Then I disconnect RAC and I tried to get into pairing mode without RAC, too. Then I connected my 91 RAC and interior illumination immediately started shining and I was able to get into pairing mode, but couldnt pair keys.

It looks like 92 RAC doesnt have power. I must fix it or find that RAC with same part number.

Or I must find someone here, who has keys from 91 PA to help me find which remote keys should I try find and buy.
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Originally Posted by tomasd2001
What breakpoints do you mean? My VIN has M1667399. What does it meam according to what you have written?
M1600001 M1626500 - vin breakpoints
that means you should be okay based on your car being produced after the range I listed before

Also, I believe you should get the proper module according to those PNs and then get new transmitters because I bet the old ones with issues had different signals and stuff because early days were FCC hell i bet and just things were so often less flexible than today because of the nature of a luxury option that was new on the scene and put in different cars and sold in different markets. Is your car by chance made in canada?
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Originally Posted by TommyB
just to try to clarify. the module you show here is an RKE, Remote Keyless Entry. that'* what works your key fobs so you are on the right track. you have a BCM and a ECM also but I don't think they are the problem.
The RKE also works your interior lights when you unlock the doors. but only when it'* dark. if it'* light outside your interior lights won't come on.
Now, the key fobs did work for 2 days. or at least that one time when you put the 92 module in. so that makes me think they won't work with the 91 receiver.
After 2 days and they stopped working, did you try pairing them again with the 92 module? and when they wouldn't pair, would the door locks work from the door panel buttons? I think everything goes through the RKE, so if it was bad they wouldn't work.
did you check the batteries of the key fobs?
and lastly, according to the service bulletin OldsManiac posted you have a RAC, remote accessory control module. I don't know if this in addition to a Keep Alive Memory Module or not , but that may have something to do with this. by the way, I don't think the KAM would cause any of this.
I suggested KAM as a genreral idea of like chassis electrical positive power being lost and the remotes needing a synchronization or something. Im not quite sure how the old cars handled lost power but thats what I meant, like they lose power on key off or crank or something
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Originally Posted by OldsManiac1990
M1600001 M1626500 - vin breakpoints
that means you should be okay based on your car being produced after the range I listed before

Also, I believe you should get the proper module according to those PNs and then get new transmitters because I bet the old ones with issues had different signals and stuff because early days were FCC hell i bet and just things were so often less flexible than today because of the nature of a luxury option that was new on the scene and put in different cars and sold in different markets. Is your car by chance made in canada?
There are FCC ID and DOC numbers on my RAC modules. My broken 25615095 module has same numbers on remote keys. Thats why they worked. I also find this on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32492983388...3ABFBM8MvJhcJf

It has same FCC ID and DOC numbers as my older RAC, so my remote keys should work. Its a little bit expensive, but its new unused part. In my opinion, any older keys will propably work with new RAC, but new keys will not work with older RAC.

I was also searching for keys for my older RAC, but I didnt find anything. Is it possible to find it on same other website like ebay? Can you recommend any?

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Originally Posted by tomasd2001
There are FCC ID and DOC numbers on my RAC modules. My broken 25615095 module has same numbers on remote keys. Thats why they worked. I also find this on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32492983388...3ABFBM8MvJhcJf

It has same FCC ID and DOC numbers as my older RAC, so my remote keys should work. Its a little bit expensive, but its new unused part. In my opinion, any older keys will propably work with new RAC, but new keys will not work with older RAC.

I was also searching for keys for my older RAC, but I didnt find anything. Is it possible to find it on same other website like ebay? Can you recommend any?
I didnt personally know if FCC numbers matching means they can go together or if thats just regulatory ID stuff from the government related to the signals as they come out of them. Like, there may still be proprietary steps or compatability things involved, but I have not researched the subject.
GQ43VTI is mine, for what its worth, but I found this on a google "Two different remotes with the same FCC ID may and sometimes do transmit different signals and thus not be compatible with each other, but it is more common for remotes with the same FCC ID to be interchangeable, especially with respect to aftermarket alarm system remotes. "
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