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Old 02-03-2016, 06:50 PM   #1
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Well I think the moisture, and or water getting in my 96' Park Ave finally got to the ground buss, I guess I'll have to check it out, I am pretty sure mine is on the front/drivers side...
I checked the under dash fuse, it was fine, none of the interior lights work, not even the trunk light.
I am so tempted to just cover this thing up and buy a bit newer PA, at least I'd have a parts car for my newer PA if I bought one.

I wish I still had access to my AllData online manual, I may have to get another subscription, unless I go ahead and get another PA...
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Geez when it rains it pours there William. Sorry to hear about more trouble...
Is it wet beside driver'* seat area too?
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Carpet under drivers seat area has been getting wet, I'd not be surprised if lts more things quit working soon.
The headliner is coming down even more, the pins I used are not holding, normally that should hold for a while, I am betting the condensation is causing it, else you'd think just the face of the headliner would be bad.
I know what I have been told about it, but I still cannot see how the condensation would not do any harm.
I don't want to go spend 7-8k on a car, but at this point I am loosing patience with this car, too much is going bad..
I am guessing any metal parts under the dash, or anywhere inside the cars interior have started to rust.
I seen the middle bench seat buckle, it is rusty.... :/

I am starting to thing RegalGuy is right, my windshield seal could have went bad, I am pretty sure the water is getting in from that area..
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Pulling the windshield and having it re-sealed may be necessary.
Have you got a tarp on the PA currently?
Maybe for now, one of those easy up canopy'* may be a god idea. Would also give you a chance to work on it out of the rain.
I know when my old'* had a leak, it was coming in from a few areas, and I had to cover the car & get the interior dried out.
Took about a week with windows down a tiny bit, and moving a ceramic heater front/rear to get it mostly dry.
I know I also would not want to drop 8K on a PA either, if I could still get by on what I have too.
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I have a tarp, but it has not stopped one form of precipitation or another since I bought it, if it has not been raining it has been snowing.
If I cover it while it is wet inside it will start to mold, and the moisture won't escape.
At this point I am not sure what to do, I know the headliner is going to have to totally come out, the fabric won't stay on it for much longer, and I don't want that **** coming down on me and my doggies, the fiberglass stuff that is.
Also if I cannot find/fix the issue that killed my interior lights, then a new car will be the only option. Unless I sink more and more money into this car that is starting to feel like a money pit, if I keep sinking money into it eventually I won't be able to afford a new car.
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Hmmm, I know I seen a fuse that said interior lights on the driver side, but I read where somebody said the interior light fuse for a 97' is marked SBM and is on the passenger side, I do have a fuse bx there, I'll check there ASAP, maybe I'll get lucky.
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Double checked manual, and all fuses in the main driver side fuse block, all are fine.
I checked which fuses are on the right side, none should control interior lights in any way.
I finally have book 1 & 2 of my FSM'* ordered, for future repairs mainly, I have a good feeling this issue is from my ground buss.
I pulled my trim off of the door kick panel area, and there is moisture under there, as I figured, I see two things under that area though, one is only like 3.5" long or so, the other looks like 5.5" or so, not sure which is the actual ground buss, but as soon as it warms up some I'll un-tape them, inspect, and if needed clean them up.
Hopefully that will do the trick, if not I'll have to hunt down whatever ground runs to the interior/trunk lights, good thing I'll have the FSM'* just in case.
I am going to order some stuff for my Dremel just to be sure I'll be able to clean the ground buss well.
Two of each of these should do well.

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Also getting some 0000 fine steel wool just in case.
And to keep the connections protected some dielectric grease, I had some around here but could not find it.

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Good Luck William, I hope it is the ground bus, and that restore the int/trunk lighting.
Post a photo of what the ground bus looks like...corroded city ?
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I realize there could be a difference in your PA and my 94 Le Sabre but, on mine there is a int light relay on the drivers side kick panel. This is behind the glove box. I usually just remove the glove box to gain more working room.

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You mean on the passengers side I assume.
I thought there may be one that could be the cause, but I read the section on fuses from my manual, and none of the fuses mentioned lights at all, I think there is a relay or two in that fuse box, I just got the DVD for my Factory Shop Manuals, so I'll check it out on there first.
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