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ZZP tranny done after 14k? (MANY UPDATES, TAKE A LOOK)
video explains it all
6MB - 3min http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/2000_S...ine_35145.html OR http://www.zippyvideos.com/521325569.../tranny_whine/ (probably dead link) |
Andrew is on the way to go take another pic of the trans fluid. Looks dirty.
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everyone is talking behind this post... can we get this public please
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Yeah the fluid looks burnt and the clip sounds like slipping clutches or tc bypassing?
I would get a tranny flush and fluid/filter done asap. |
Flush like Wren, Pdad and I have suggested.
You should be happy about the personal call.... ;) |
I totally can't believe this. :? :(
As said in PM, all work was done by ZZperformance off the standard build with a new Input Shaft and GM torque converter being put in. I can't even really begin to guess what it could be, I do not know transmissions at all thus I paid so much for someone else to do it. Grrr :evil: The stock tranny took a TON of track passes and burnouts before It went.. if this one went out already after so little use ... Ugh. To lighten the mood, I told ya that motor moves!!! :P |
dad just saw the video.. from the experience he has... he says its done...
he does not trust driving it back to his shop which is 180 miles away... he expects me to find a shop to put this in for me, and find the money all before it dies... i need a realy tranny mechanic... can you guys get the word out please :puppyeyes: |
Send a link to the video to zzp and let them know this is their transmission and it had limited use.
It doesn't hurt. I would still post it on clubgp in the general section, lotsa people with good knowledge there. THis doesn't make a lick of sense AT ALL. I'm at a loss. One of the bigger issues is that the 2000 year had specific tranny codes and the one in that car is the hardest to find hence I went with a rebuild instead of buying a used one. Talk to zzp before you actually have any work done on it... though, it's hard to get it out to Michigan. This just blows. It's not even my car anymore but I still feel horrible. I go through my mind trying to find anything I may have forgotten about that would make it my fault but I honestly can't think of anything. I just don't get how both parts of the drivetrain have failed in so short of a time. :shock: speachless |
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linked up clubgp and zzp...
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Oh man, this is terrible, i wish you the best luck, too bad i cant help you.
All i can say is that youll love that solid motor mount! :wavebye: |
might i mention that the tranny is NOT slipping at all.. firm as the day i bought it
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Can't watch the vid. But it sounds like you're on the right track with ZZP. |
Something is seriously being chewed on in that tranny... And the color of the fluid almost tells me that there is metal bits circulating through the system... Don't know what to tell you... Possibly find a used one with low miles untill you can get a quality rebuild... Or fork out the money for a good rebuild with a good warranty..
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im not gonna start looking for a tranny till i hear from zzp... this should NOT happen to a 14k tranny... with a performance rebuild
getting a flush monday for $84.95 ill have to drive it to work 25 miles away since both don and bill think its the 4th gear going, should i leave it in third? |
Bottom line, you need to get that fluid out of there if you want any chance of further life out of it.
Might not buy you time, but it might. Time to find a replacement or save money. |
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the car does not have to be driven, and i will be driving my buddies F150... nice huh?
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ill have to drive it to work 25 miles away, where that shop is... everyone else was quoting me over $100
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How about taking the GP on the other side for a spin ;)
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the motor in that is one big chunk of rust, internally...
the LIM bite him twice and he said fuck it and got the rora |
thats exactly how my tranny fluid looked b4 i had it rebuilt. my magnet was covered with shavings and the bottom of the pan looked like it was covered in oil. i rode in 3rd cuz my converter was dyin. couldnt hurt for u.
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Haro, I looked in my service manual CD and it said the usual cause of the symptoms your car is showing is a failing torque converter. any updates on this problem?
(BTW, this service manual CD covers ALL Gm vehicles 1990-2005.) |
Originally Posted by Custom88
Haro, I looked in my service manual CD and it said the usual cause of the symptoms your car is showing is a failing torque converter. any updates on this problem?
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yes prolly the TC...
getting rebuilt next sunday... ZZP is SUCKING at getting back to me and the guy i am working with |
Originally Posted by harofreak00
yes prolly the TC...
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I guess related to topic of ZZP, it took them almost 4 weeks to get back to me with an answer on something i got for my car...hopefully they get their head outta their asses and own up to this mistake of a tranny for ya
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is that a stcok TC in the car, or did the new ZZP tranny come with a new one..?
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Sucks this is happening to you.
My initial thought is to drop the trans pan. If you see a mound of aluminum then the torque converter has let go and since aluminum is not magnetic is being pushed around the inside. If you see a lot of clutch material on the magnet then it may be a sign of too much line pressure in the trans which has burnt out the cluthces very quickly. You should get a Tech-II on it and pull all the codes (not just SES lighting drivetrain codes but tranny codes, body codes etc...). There are a few real nasty trans codes that can set but do not light the SES lamp indicating a problem. If the trans has gears in it (3.69 im assuming) then you may have the dreaded 730 incorrect gear ratio code which can kill a trans very quickly because the PCM commands full pressure. Good luck... |
TC was brand new from an 04 that adam got from Ed Morad... didnt even have fluid in it yet...
stock gear were 2.93 i thought? |
ill fill ya in on whats happening here..
these are emails between me and john and zzp... steve is from the tranny shop that does zzp installs
Originally Posted by John
Zooomer/ZZP,
I am working with Andrew Suderman on his ZZP tranny. Contact information and purchase information right below. andrew suderman XXX XXX MN 507-220-XXXX - cell 507-642-XXXX - work adam schnieder purshased the tranny, and i bought the car from him He is currently haveing several issues with his ZZP tranny, you can read about it here. http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...ic.php?t=46258 http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.as...mode=1&smode=1 After a long conversation with him I think I know what the problem is. He informed me that the tranny had been surging while driving and shaking while taking off and stopping. To me this sounds like a clasic TCC soliniod keeping the torque converter locked on. Because he kept driving I am going to say this is what damaged his Torque converter. I am sugesting he replace all the soliniods/chain (I'm going to guess it stretched from the Torque converter being locked) and torque converter. The tranny may also need the tranny fluid splash gaurd (they usualy break if the chain stretches) Of course if you have another opinion I would gladly accept your input. Andrew has also expressed in interest in going with a higher stall torque converter so you may want to contact him at XXXXXXXXXXXXXX to discuss the Torque converter and other tranny part costs. I would also like to speak to Zooomer about some personal things so if he would please call me that would be great (XXX-XXX-XXXX) I do have a funeral tomorrow at 10am-12 cst but I will be free after that. Thank you, John Freimuth
Originally Posted by ZZP
I would like you to verfiy with Steve XXX-XXX-XXXX, the issues with the transmission.He would be far better at diagnosing than myself.
Sorry for the slow replies. We've very busy right now. I'll have some time tomorrow if you want to chat though John.
Originally Posted by Andrew
John,
The issues with the tranny started about 2 weeks ago. Putting the car is gear on a cold start would result in a big bang into gear. During the first 5 min of driving the tranny would surge, throwing the RPM's with it. lockup was rough. After the 5 minutes or so of driving it would all smooth out and be like normal. I had my oil changed 2 days before the tranny whine started, and i noticed tranny fluid was a bit low. I added 1 qt. When I added that 1 qt, the fluid looked fine. Two days later when the whine started, the fluid was black. Andrew
Originally Posted by John
I was able to reach steve this morning.
Torque converter is toast (I have a stock one I will give him for free) Replace all solinoids Replace stock 2.93 chains (they are most likely stretched) Replace tranny fluid catcher (plastic piece that catches the tranny spray from the chains it will be broken if the chains are stretched) Possably the input shaft retaining ring is broken (Something Steve brought up as a possability) Will need the Valve body gasket (and the two tiny filters should also be replaced) Chain cover gasket. I have a spare tranny wiring harness so I can replace it if its bad (so he does not need one) I have all the stock torque specs along with the Intense ones also so if ZZP has different ones please let me know so I can build the tranny back to your specs. I have CC'ed a copy to Andrew so if you want to talk directly to him about parts etc... Please do so. I know he would like to tow it up here for me to work on it next weekend (a week from this saterday and a 2 hour tow) If you have any questions for me XXX-XXX-XXX John Freimuth |
well at least there is some progress.....
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yep, its a good start...
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Glad to see you're making progress on this. Hope it goes smoothly enough getting it sorted out.
Here's a picture of what got changed in my tranny; http://ssei.whiteswebs.com/tranny/im...CN2408_JPG.jpg If you'd like to see a photo album on the tranny rebuild in my car you can peak here; http://ssei.whiteswebs.com/tranny/ Cheers, |
That bites balls if it's the torque converter. I did hear from rick at certified that the tcc lockup solenoid they use is hardcore and really holds the lock.. it's possible *with how this car likes to make boost in 4th gear* that it was putting too much load on the TC causing it to fail.
I still have zero idea though as I am not a tranny man and never will be. ZZP did all the work, got the TC from Ed which was installed by ZZP when the trans went in. Buggah this is all the blow. |
zoomer, neither i nor john have heard anything from ZZP, and we are planning on rebuilting it this weekend... can i get some thoughts please?
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heard from zoomer... he sums it up here
OK, got off the phone with John and Andrew. Trans is 1 year old and out of warranty. The car is no longer owned by the person who originally bought the trans from us. Tranny was installed by us but converter, chains, hard parts are all stock. I explained that if they wanted to get the car here we could take the tranny out, rebuild it with new parts and put it back in for $500 plus any hard parts like converter or dif that may need replacing. If the transmission gets shipped back here the same deal applies and we'll handle shipping costs to but Andrew has to handle shipping costs from. If the transmission gets worked on at his location we'll ship them whatever parts they would like to buy for it at a discounted price. Not that it's anyone's business but people seemed curious, so there you have it... |
Originally Posted by harofreak00
heard from zoomer... he sums it up here
OK, got off the phone with John and Andrew. Trans is 1 year old and out of warranty. The car is no longer owned by the person who originally bought the trans from us. Tranny was installed by us but converter, chains, hard parts are all stock. I explained that if they wanted to get the car here we could take the tranny out, rebuild it with new parts and put it back in for $500 plus any hard parts like converter or dif that may need replacing. If the transmission gets shipped back here the same deal applies and we'll handle shipping costs to but Andrew has to handle shipping costs from. If the transmission gets worked on at his location we'll ship them whatever parts they would like to buy for it at a discounted price. Not that it's anyone's business but people seemed curious, so there you have it... |
you have no idea how hard i am thinking right now...
i coudlnt even work straight today without it getting on my mind... option 1: tow it to michigan, drive the 600 miles and 9 hours, costing about 300-400 in towing, hotel and food, get the tranny rebuilt for $500... still not knowing what hard parts i need to buy... total:$1000+ easily option 2: tow it to the cities, drive the 60 miles and 1 hour, costing $75 for the tow, get the tranny taken out, ship it to ZZP for $200, have them rebuilt it for $500... still not knowing what hard parts i need to buy... they will ship it back for free, and john will install it for $300... total: $1000 easily option 3: tow it to the cities, drive the 60 miles and 1 hour, costing $75 for the tow, get the tranny taken out, install a used tranny for about $500, and have john install it for $300... then maybe later on ship the ZZP tranny back to them and see what they can do with it... total: about $900 option 4: tow it to the cities, drive the 60 miles and 1 hour, costing $75 for the tow, get the tranny taken out, see what is actually wrong with it, order discounted parts from ZZP, which could be any ammount, get the parts shipped back, have john install the parts for $150, and reinstall the tranny for $300... total: 650? and a LONG time with no car ANY MORE IDEAS??? :puppyeyes: |
:? look like a hard choice..
but if i had to choose, ill take the last choice and wait to get it done, and get eveything you need. |
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