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1992-1999 Series I L27 (1992-1994 SE,SLE, SSE) & Series II L36 (1995-1999 SE, SSE, SLE) and common problems for the Series I and II L67 (all supercharged models 92-99) Including Olds 88's, Olds LSS's and Buick Lesabres Please use General Chat for non-mechanical issues, and Performance and Brainstorming for improvements.

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Old 04-08-2008, 11:29 AM   #11
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and no i hacen't checked fuel pressure

but if it was fuel pressure would it eventually start and run fine ?
It can do that, my '95 Monte Carlo did the same thing when the pump was on its way out. It would run fine, but it didn't have any top-end power. ( not saying to replace your pump, just a possibility at this point )

I would start with the check engine light though. Get the codes by using this Techinfo article http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...e=article&k=57
Then look the codes up using this one http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...e=article&k=69

Let us know what codes you have and what they are according to that techinfo article.
As easy as it is to check for codes with the links Crash provided, I would double check those to cross that off the list. All you need is a bent paper clip (not painted). It'* all there. If you need a picture of the connector pin layout, check http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...960&highlight=

After chasing down a boat load of problems on mine, yours being one of them, I am now a believer that in the case of intermittent problems, that it is very often either one or more of the chassis grounds or bad/dirty/corroded connectors for the electronics. I won't burden you, and will reserve all that for later, depending if you find any codes stored.
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I Took some video'* with my cell phone they're not the best quality by any means but it might help

It seems to start better right after it'* been shut off.

The Inside Gauges Of The Car While Trying To Start:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHfvzutAdJs

From Under The Car Still Not Starting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kqckEd8Lf8

Started First Try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNS62cyyN-c

Now On To The Questions::::::
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Was it turning over in the 1st video?
If you keep cranking it like you're doing in the 2nd video you're going to fry the starter.
Sure sounds like like a weak battery in the 2nd vid.
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My ALCL Doesn't Look Like The One In That Picture.
I Tried To Short Out The Two Top Right Hand Terminals
And Nothing Happens The Check Engine Like
Comes On And Stays On... ? I've
tried and tried and tried and it won't give me
any codes


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/*...t_014/ALCL.jpg

THATS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE
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Yes it was turning over you just can't hear it from
inside the car. yea i know it sounds like a weak battery
but the gauge says it got a little more then 14 and my
battery charger says its full
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BTW - Please don't start any more topics on this issue. Keep all the posts here.

Have you pulled the rubber boots & cleaned the ends of the battery cables?
Does it turn over any faster when jumped?
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yea i have cleaned the rubber boots and
yea it does turn over faster when jumped but
the starting problem still emains

Okay I Found which terminals to short out and here are the codes i got

58 - Personal Automotive Security System ( PASS Key ) Fuel Enable Circuit

61 - Cruise Vent Solenoid Circuit

67 - Cruise Switches Circuit
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58 is a known bug - disregard it.
67 shouldn't cause starting problems
I'm not sure if 61 could cause a vacuum leak or not.

I'll see if I can find any info on 61.

Check for spark at each of the three front cylinders & check for fuel in the vacuum line that goes to the fuel pressure regulator.
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I Am no where near mechanicly inclined so where would i find
the vacuum hose ?

And Where Is the Fuel rail ?
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Man, today was a busy day at work....maybe now I can post some more

Good...you pulled codes. But none of those codes will cause a no-start condition. So either the PCM itself is shot (or flaky...I've seen the circuit traces inside these PCMs and they aint pretty after all this time), or there is something wrong that the PCM just wont see.

After seeing your video, I would like to think your ground buss is a culprit in this. Either that, or your battery just doesn't have the juice it should anymore. Is there a date code on the battery that you can see? It could be a punchcard-type decal, or it could even be a sticker with a letter and a number.
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