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Old 04-07-2008, 05:36 PM   #1
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How do i Temp. override my VATS on my 1992 SSE ?
I think this may be cuasing a starting problem where it'll
turn over and not start running but after like
5-200 tries it will start and run fine
Could The VATS be the problem ??
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I would say VATS is not the problem here. VATS will disable the fuel pump and the starter, so if it was VATS the car would not even attempt to roll over.

Do you have any check engine light on?
When was the last full tune up done?
Have you had your fuel pressure checked?
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Yes the check engine light is on

I'm not sure probably a few years

and no i hacen't checked fuel pressure

but if it was fuel pressure would it eventually start and run fine ?
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and no i hacen't checked fuel pressure

but if it was fuel pressure would it eventually start and run fine ?
It can do that, my '95 Monte Carlo did the same thing when the pump was on its way out. It would run fine, but it didn't have any top-end power. ( not saying to replace your pump, just a possibility at this point )

I would start with the check engine light though. Get the codes by using this Techinfo article http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...e=article&k=57
Then look the codes up using this one http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...e=article&k=69

Let us know what codes you have and what they are according to that techinfo article.
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Yes the check engine light is on

I'm not sure probably a few years

and no i hacen't checked fuel pressure

but if it was fuel pressure would it eventually start and run fine ?
Is the Security light coming on when the key is put in forabout 5-10 seconds and then go off. Or does it come on and flash every couple of seconds. That means it didn't get the correct resistance for the key. If it'* flashing, you can wait 3 minutes and it will go off then you can try another key.

I think the VATS disables the starter and the fuel injectors, but I believe you should hear the fuel pump do the 2-3 second prime every time you turn the key to "ON." All the dash lights will come on just like normal, but the starter won't crank. And if you try to jump the starter, there'* no injector so the car won't run.

It doesn't sound like your problem is VATS as the previous poster said. If it is the wires to the lock cylinder can be replaced with a resistor pack down on the bottom of the steering column area and they will read like the key chip does for resistance.
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Well I was gonna change the pump last summer but the mechanic siad that it
wasn't necessary and the pump was working fine

Does the check engine light give the same codes as the thing
that the mechanic uses to look for codes with becuase we took
it to a bunch of mechanics they've all hooked up their things
and they have retrieved NO CODES.

Yes I Turn the key on and I can hear the pump priming itself.

The Security light stays on for 5 seconds and goes off
but when i unlock the doors It "Goes Off"
The Lights Flash the horn goes off
As if it was being stolen
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Hmmm....I wonder if your RKE module is on the fritz. Or maybe you have an aftermarket alarm on there that you didn't know about that is going bad. The RKE module wouldn't cause the no-start....but an aftermarket alarm might, depending on how it was wired up.
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I Don't Have An RKE.... If i do i didn't get it with the car.
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I Don't Know If It Helps
but while starting if i push
the gas at the right time
the RPM'* will jump up
and then they fall and it
dies

I'm Starting to Think Maybe
It'* Got Somthing To Do With
Fuel ? Maybe Injectors Or
The Fuel Pressure
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Maybe none of them.

I looked through your older posts and looks like you already tried to extract codes, to which there were none...but the check engine light is still on. There could be several things going on now....

1) Your PCM is shot.

2) PCM is fine, and it sees all the sensors working as they should. If this is the case, then you have something mechanically wrong. Fuel pump *could* do it, but dirty throttle body could also play a major part of what is going on. Dirty MAF wires, carboned up IAC, or even a flaky TPS...or all of the above...will give you grief. But the only way to be sure is to do the code extraction as per techinfo.

3) Hmmm....you changed sparkplugs fromyou earlier posts...you didn't happen to use Bosch Platinums, did you?? And are they gapped to spec?

4) Weak spark. There is a writeup in Techinfo on how to check the coils.

5) How are your vaccuum lines?

I could go on, but what we need to do is focus on what ISN'T causing the problem, instead of what IS. Start from the easiest, most mundane issues and work our way up the chain.

Oh....and I can *almost* bet you DO have RKE...maybe you don't have the fob for it, but I can almost be sure you have the module under the dash for it. (Unless it was specially ordered with it deleted).
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