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Old 12-12-2002, 05:29 PM   #41
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MUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You'll not regret it mon freir. Easy to work on, parts are cheap, and f-ing pimp. Worried about aftermarket support? NOOOPE!

It'* a V6 stang ... they're cheap. Throw on a blower and eat rice for breakfast. OR, "OR" swap in a 5.0 or SuperCoupe engine. If your'e that mechanically inclined.

Ever fear changing a water pump on your bonneville? or even doing the plugs?

Takes about 20 minutes to do the plugs on a mustang .... and you don't even have to get dirty doing it

AND ... AND ... the mustang is correct-wheel-drive.

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Flame ON!!!

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unfortunately when i do look at all the bonne'* around here they are all driven by grandmas and like 45 year old women. Theres like 5 bonne'* around here that are driven by teens and i barely ever see them..besides one of my good friends who has a 96 se. I cant stand looking at bonne'* and seeing old women creeped up 3 inches from the steering wheel..quite devastating..lol. Anyone else go through what i go through?
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Ryan,

I can understand you not wanting another bonneville now, not a big deal. BUT, I've gotta recommend against the convertible V6 mustang. It sucks for you for so many reasons:

#1 super slow, and when you drive a mustang EVERYONE wants to race you. Are you really willing to lose multiple races every day? [/quote]

Meh. I had a 4-banger mustang for the longest time and no-one raced me. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS THE LX!!! This is also an LX. Unless he'* got loud exhaust and goes around bragging about how fast his LX-CONVERTIBLE is then he won't have a problem. This is just my mustang-owning experience.

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#2 you can't stuff a pile of people into it to go somewhere. Trust me, there'* nothing better than looking in the rear view mirror and seeing 5 chicks in the back seat of your car, sitting on each other'* laps, woohoo!
Ya, you can. And it'* even more fun with less space.... slightly smaller cars are fun. And you'll see them even more clearly in your rear-view mirror because they'll all be stacked on top of each other. Mmmm.... piles of breast ... mmmm....

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#3 They are overpriced for what you get. You'll hate the maintenance on it, especially the convertible, things are going to break all the time, they are not well made. Mustangs are great for cheap performance - but take away the performance, and you're getting a piece of crap!
have you ever OWNED a mustang? They're the easiest things in the world to work on. The newer ones hardly ever break. Hell, even the 87+'* rarely have a problem. And if they do, meh, get the aftermarket version and forget about it. I personally like the styling of the mustangs. Minus those scarey years back in the '70'*. Have you ever tried doing something like changing the plugs on your bonneville? Took me about an hour to an hour-and-a-half. Takes about 15 minutes on a 'stang. How about a clutch or torque converter? Ever look for aftermarket bonneville support?

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#4 It'* a cop magnet. If you're really concerned about insurance costs, you should consider this! A cop isn't going to notice that it'* only a V6, because he'* already busted 8 punks that night driving their V8 mustangs like idiots. Want to see your insurance go up? Try explaining to your insurance company that the cop was an idiot for ticketing you for going 47 in a 40. You think they're going to care?
I love this argument because I hear it all the time. "You're gonna get pulled over in that thing." Blah blah blah. The two tickets to my name have all been while I was driving a TRUCK. Not just a truck, an extended cab, long box, ford INLINE-6 300 engine. It'* a pudge. And certainly not a performer. Outside of tickets my SHO has gotten me free officer-driver conselling sessions far more so than a Mustang ever has. It'* not what you're driving it'* how smart you drive.

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There are so many other cars out there to choose from. I can understand you not wanting to get another Bonny, but shop around, you'll be surprised at what you can pick up.
I agree, go find yourself an LX-5.0 Put a cam and exhust in it. You'll have power to spare, decent looks, and you don't get raped by insurance.


Oh, and to the haters of the 4-banger stang ... You can come and race mine. I'm sure your $15,000 14-second bonneville will have a good time racing my $2000 4-popper mustang.

-Duck
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Flameless, I promise.

I have owned the 2300 four-banger mustang w/manual tranny. It'* only redeeming feature being that it was RWD and Manual Trans. It was fun in the winter because of the donuts. It was also fairly easy to work on.

BUT IT WAS SLOW AND SMALL.

I also owned a 3.8 Thunderchicken. It'* only redeeming feature were its looks and the fact that it, too, was RWD. It wasn't bad working on the engine, but then again I had plenty of opportunity to do so. I cracked two heads under normal driving conditions.

AND IT WAS SLOW AND UNRELIABLE.

I liked both cars because I made them fun, but I would never go back unless it had a V-8. The V-8 LX is my favorite contemporary mustang, but they are theft bait and police bait. A classic (pre 1974) is even better.

I have changed my spark plugs twice in my Bonneville (the first being Bosch Platinums, the second being Champion dual Platinums three months later) and it took me 15 minutes including gap time. It is less convenient than an in-line mounted engine, but it didn't slow me up at all.

BonnAilen, You have already made up your mind. In my earlier post I shared with you some first hand experience I had with convertibles, white cars, and mustangs. I also gave you some of the info you already knew about the Bonneville (not a perfect car either). You can have fun in any car you purchase, but you did ask for our opinions. Some like mustangs, some don't. It is you who has to live with your decision--not us. Don't worry about pleasing us. Do what you think is the right thing to do. But remember that some of us are speaking from past and current experience. Take TheDuckyLittle (who has current experience with stangs) and my suggestions (Past experience-not necessarily the same point of view) over thoughs who have no experience with mustangs or Fords. I may not agree with TheDuckyLittle on this, but I respect his opinion because it is based on ownership (as is mine).

I am not discounting anyone else who has an opinion based on ownership, and I am not trying to make enemies. I just don't think it is fair to BonnAlien to give him ownership advice based on anything but personal experience.

No flames here.
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I paid 2900.00 for mine and rebuilt the engine with a little extra cash so it could run like new
ford sucks
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What year is the stang, the V-6 stang never got 190 untill i belive 1999. Every V-6 stang below that is 150 HP with a 0-60 of 9.5-10.0 seconds.. that is pitiful. Oh well who gives a damn. Ill just be laughing my *** off when you find Ford 3.8 and their Trannys to be **** compared to your quality GM 3.8 and Tranny. Ever riddin in a Ford with Tranny problem? I commonly see them at the dealership I work at. tranny slips at around 75k miles... My friend has Taurus SHO with 130k miles and 5/10 times his tranny slips for about 3 seconds then it shifts... EVERYTHING breaks on his Car, its pitiful. Your gonna be buying Calipers , Struts, and a Tranny within a year or two. But I dont care what you do, im just trying to warn you from experience. WHen u buy your stang, please keep in touch with us grandpa cars ok???
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It'* true , they do break alot , but it is your money ! Have fun with it ! And remember A car that breaks down will never equal to a BIG **** ! I got the best of both worlds!
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OK!! We all know that the Mustang is slow. Let the guy just enjoy his car. Who cares about power? It'* not like hes racing it 24/7.
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Flameless, I promise.
Aw...

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I have owned the 2300 four-banger mustang w/manual tranny. It'* only redeeming feature being that it was RWD and Manual Trans. It was fun in the winter because of the donuts. It was also fairly easy to work on.

BUT IT WAS SLOW AND SMALL.
I had mine with the original engine in it for about a weekend before I did the major overhaul on it. So yes, I will agree it is slow. And a bit small. Personally, I sorta like the smaller cars and the work-a-bility of the Mustang. Everything can be replaced and played with.

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I also owned a 3.8 Thunderchicken. It'* only redeeming feature were its looks and the fact that it, too, was RWD. It wasn't bad working on the engine, but then again I had plenty of opportunity to do so. I cracked two heads under normal driving conditions.
Those bird'* are ****. Conceeded. But I too like the looks of them. I really would like a TurboCoupe as a daily driver. (2.3 Turbo - one of my favorite engines)

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I liked both cars because I made them fun, but I would never go back unless it had a V-8. The V-8 LX is my favorite contemporary mustang, but they are theft bait and police bait. A classic (pre 1974) is even better.
Eh, if he were to pick up, say, an '87-89 LX 5.0 COUPE (the COUPE is key) and knock off the 5.0 badges you'd have something that doesn't catch too many eyes. The nice part about the older-fox-body stangs is that Cops have STOPPED looking for them, and STARTED looking for the newer body style.

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I have changed my spark plugs twice in my Bonneville (the first being Bosch Platinums, the second being Champion dual Platinums three months later) and it took me 15 minutes including gap time. It is less convenient than an in-line mounted engine, but it didn't slow me up at all.
Really? I was unable to do it last time I tried. I really did try to move fast but they were stuck in there. And the one'* in the back gave me a pain in the butt. *shrug*

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I may not agree with TheDuckyLittle on this, but I respect his opinion because it is based on ownership (as is mine).
And I yours. I thank you for the respect. I really do like all cars. Personally worked and driven many of all different brands, but keep coming back to the one I started with, Ford. And after getting my Mustang, fell in love with it. It'* really an addiction if you catch it young.

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I am not discounting anyone else who has an opinion based on ownership, and I am not trying to make enemies. I just don't think it is fair to BonnAlien to give him ownership advice based on anything but personal experience.

No flames here.
I only flame because I love. And I agree about needing to make the judgement about personal experience.

I would also like to say something about the Ford 3.8L V6. It'* a torque little engine, much more characteristically like the Series I than the Series II Buick 3800. Now, the horsepower rating before '95 was 195 hp, and 235 ft/lbs of torque. Then in '96 they re-vamped it, and it was around 210 hp. MUCH MORE RELIABLE! The early version of the 3.8L Ford were ****, have always been ****, and I avoid them like the plague. Newer 3.8L'* have been reworked (I don't play with them so I can't say 'how') and they got all tof the bugs out of them. I'm not sure what they make stock any more, but someone told me about 220 hp at somepoint. Nearly around the same as an SHO plant but with a far more limited power range, and more torque. The reason you can mod the hell out of them and not get the greatest performance is because the '94+ Mustangs weigh quite a bit more than the ones from the 80'*.

The quarter mile is a good measure for most performance modifications, buy many Solo I/II and autocross racers prefer the 2.3L and 3.8L because it'* significantly lighter than it'* V8 brethren. I have seen a worked over N/A 2.3L CLEAN UP against a modded 5.0 in the autocross. The 2.3 driver was just very very intellegent about how he modified his engine ... used an aluminum head and aluminum accessories from newer 2.3 cars.

Now to answer the haters ... (here are some flames vs. ignorance)

"fords suck" Response: Yeah... thank you ... I love ignorance; it'* what keeps me going. Did you figure out how to do the special font on your own? Or did your daddy have to show you how to do it? Heaven forbid you use differnet colors. Back to insulting your car... you paid $2900 which is still more than I paid for my Mustang, Engine (AND to reuibld it), and drive train mod.*. :* Plus, I'm betting you don't run near the 1/4 mile times or skid pad G'*. But ya know, it'* a Ford, so it sucks. I suppose you like the fact that your tranny and engine controller are the same computer? You like the fact that your wiring harness is integrated into the main harness so you can't easily swap engines? I suppose you like that the computer version are undocumneted? Front wheel drive kicks *** doesn't? Huh? It'* cool to remove a motor mount to change a water pump I guess....
(flame off)

By the time you get done with the mustang it'll be faster than any stock or lightly modded Bonneville, handle IMMENSELY better, look better (my opinion), and have a car worth keeping for a good many years. The wonderful about Mustangs is that you can buy them, and map out your modifications over time. They really are fun cars.

I'm out,

-Duck
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Best of luck with your Mustang. Chicks dig 'em, great car for a guy in high school (although muscle heads will make fun of you for the six, but who cares if the women like it).

Hopefully you won't have many problems with it, although the pre-99 Ford 3.8Ls are notorious for blowing head gaskets (owing due to the fact that the block is iron and heads aluminum).
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Live out my dream and buy a clean 91-93 Dodge Spirit R/T with the 2.2 intercooler turbo and scare the crap outta ricers. Hey none of you laugh! I love that little car because no one suspects and economy 4 door to have a 224hp turbocharged engine.
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