That was the whole agument on clubgp. The NA Ser2 guys said gearing is the advantage and the L67 guys said torque is the advantage. The bottom line is this one GT NA 3800 ran a 14.9@91mph with intake, exaust and rockers. Granted Bonnevilles are heavier than GP'*, its only about a 200lb difference. So, if that GP were a Bonny it would be a 15.1 or 15.2. I think Nate and Seth should duke it out at the Ceday Falls track. (LakevilleSSEi and Smellbird)

There is a highly modded GP GT (cam, headers, full exhaust, slicks, etc...) on www.3800pro.com and he and I had #'* that were very close for a while. I was running 15.02x'* and he was running something like 15.02x'*.
Both of us on our last trip to the track (different tracks) broke into the 14'*. He has a low 14.8 or high 14.7'* and I have a 14.901.
I blew my trans two days later and when I picked the car up from the transmission shop they told me my fuel pump is getting weak -it'* really getting noisey back there since I can hear it with the engine running while idling in park.

My mods to get a 14.9 are high flow cat, upgrade to SSE 2.5" exhaust, Thrasher CAI and basically a thorough tune-up.
I believe with a new fuel pump, and a good launch I can now achieve a 14.6 or 14.7 (should have been close to this on my last run at the track if I could have run on the lane sprayed with traction aid).

A major difference between the GP GT and the n/a Bonneville is the gearing 3.29 for the GT 3.05/6 for the Bonnie.

I agree with Marty wholeheartedly. My 95 with a dying fuel pump, plug gaps eroded to .075", clogged fuel filter (all these discovered a couple weeks later) and crappy tires in horrible conditions, I ran a 15.1 bone stock. I'd only had the car ONE DAY in my posession when it ran this time.

With a pulley and a good tuneup and fuel pump (coming soon) this is a mid-14'* car easily.

See, it'* just not fair. They've got us whipped, even with moderate mods. After all this stuff I'm doing to my car, I'll be happy with a 15.0. A pulley and tuneup will net an S1/S2 L67 a high to mid 14. As much as I like the idea of keeping my car boost-free, it still takes a lot of work and money to get into stock SSEi territory. Frustrating, but a fact of life.

Not necessarily true. You can be the first or one of the first into your territory.

And in bracket racing, all cars are equal.

Brackets shmackets. Let me have my cry, and then I'll be okay .

It is a lot more money definitely but it'* still fun as he||. If I still have $ let over from my tranny rebuild I want to maybe have a GN shop by me make me some tuned long tube headers. And theres always the whole resonance tuning of the intake I would like to try. Kinda want to get a GT2 cam and mill my heads too. Theres still alot I can do before I max out. It might not be cost effective but it will be a fun learning experience.

Dude, I totally hear ya... I'm having a blast anticipating the work we're gonna do next week. 19bonnie95, hopefully I'll be able to show you some decent numbers in a short while. Even though we'll always be slower, it'* fun to see just how far an NA 3800 can go. I'm eager to find out how the car reacts to higher compression, and I can't help but feel like I'm doing a bit of ground-breaking work with this cam regrind.

Yeah, it'* all worth it. Even if we fail, it'* worth it .

There ya go.

And I'll tell ya, bracket racing is the bomb. It'* fun as hell.