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Old 02-04-2007, 03:12 PM   #11
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Since I am in cost-savings mode....for the trans itself, up to maybe 400. But you have seen the yards and cars around here, and there ain't much to work with in the supercharged field, hence having to yet again piece something together. I lucked out on the motor, but I doubt I will be able to score a trans in good shape in this area.

ok Car-part.com has some options in FL
there is one Holiday FL that has 100K on it
and one in Lakeland that has 84K
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I see...I actually forgot about that site, but there is a problem: at least when I did the 93 search, all but 2 didn't have the mileage, and at least with the SSEis, mileage won't be known unless they apply power to the car before stripping. If I am going to buy a used trans, I would like to know the mileage the unit has. With that one on ebay, mileage was stated and is quite low, meaning less prep work that would need to be done.

Remember, I am still waiting to hear from Ed about a proper trans...so all this posting so far is formulation of a secondary plan of attack.

EDIT - where did you find the mileage of those units? and what year did you search?

EDIT#2 - Just noticed that it lists Buick trannies too under */c engines....but don't they have different gear ratios?
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I see...I actually forgot about that site, but there is a problem: at least when I did the 93 search, all but 2 didn't have the mileage, and at least with the SSEis, mileage won't be known unless they apply power to the car before stripping. If I am going to buy a used trans, I would like to know the mileage the unit has. With that one on ebay, mileage was stated and is quite low, meaning less prep work that would need to be done.

Remember, I am still waiting to hear from Ed about a proper trans...so all this posting so far is formulation of a secondary plan of attack.

EDIT - where did you find the mileage of those units? and what year did you search?

EDIT#2 - Just noticed that it lists Buick trannies too under */c engines....but don't they have different gear ratios?
i searched for 93 Supercharger....

Supercharged Buick 4T60-HD'* will have the Same gear ratio as a Bonneville
i also found a Olds SC 4t60-HD also
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Brad, the 2.97 Diff is the same as the 3.33 Diff, difrence being the Drive and driven sprockets...

I really need to try and do some more research on this to see what directions you can head in..

in 95-96 all of the bonnevilles that were either SC'd or had the 3.06 ratio used the same axles... But either in 96 or 97 the Pinion gear pitch was now in the opposite direction of the 94-95... So swapping in your diff to a 97 Trans may prove to be an issue....

And I forget weather or not the 93 Trans had the PWM along with the TCC solenoid, That could prove to be another issue...

I know for certain that the 94+ 4T60-E'* used the PWM in conjunction with the TCC for a smoother TCC apply... The Torque converter lockup clutch material also changed, you can use the newer 96-97 converter on an older trans iirc but not the other way around...

Later when I have more time I will research the axles used for the 93-94-95-96'* ....

I think a Light Duty will work for the length of time you want it to work.. If we can find one and repin it... Makes me wonder if we could literally install your wiring harness from the 93'* trans, and install the Temp switch

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as I remember is the HD diff that brings the gear ratio up to 2.93 while the non-hd is 3.06(for bonnevilles)
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as I remember is the HD diff that brings the gear ratio up to 2.93 while the non-hd is 3.06(for bonnevilles)
Not for all years.... 96+ iirc is the 2.93

92-95 SC has the 2.97

And yes the 3.06 diff is just that a 3.06...

I believe that the 2.93 and 3.29 is the same diff with a different drive and driven sprocket

Even on that note 3.06 is not a huge step above 2.97, and I believe that could easily be programed into the Mem-Cal

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Not to throw anything at you, but please ensure you weigh out the options of cost for the correct trans vs cost of reburning, figuring out the connectors and hoping to make a newer trans work.
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I got an email from Mr. Morad. He has a 95 trans that came from a PA Ultra I think, but the questions that Don raised still does not make it a good candidate until those questions can be researched.

I suppose if worst came to worst I could do a standard 93 trans to ensure all electronics are happy with each other, but finding one with lower mileage may prove to be tricky.
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You don't need lower mileage unless you assume it is going to head south. At the moment, you need running until you make the next swap.
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Brad, the 2.97 Diff is the same as the 3.33 Diff, difrence being the Drive and driven sprockets...
I remember you and Pat telling me this

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in 95-96 all of the bonnevilles that were either SC'd or had the 3.06 ratio used the same axles... But either in 96 or 97 the Pinion gear pitch was now in the opposite direction of the 94-95... So swapping in your diff to a 97 Trans may prove to be an issue....And I forget weather or not the 93 Trans had the PWM along with the TCC solenoid, That could prove to be another issue...
If the 93 doesn't carry PWM then it makes swapping in a newer trans, HD or not,a mute point. I would have to wait until either I do the full S2 engine/trans swap, or keep the S1 Frankenmotor and build up the current trans while limping on a standard model.

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I think a Light Duty will work for the length of time you want it to work.. If we can find one and repin it... Makes me wonder if we could literally install your wiring harness from the 93'* trans, and install the Temp switch
If it is in decent shape to begin with, and I pulley up to a 94-95 Gen 3, it should last as long as I need it to. Basically, until a new drivetrain can be built (or the current slushbox is rebuilt), Jinx would just be a commuter car and nothing else. As an absolute last resort, i can always take the Neon and just have Karen drive the Malibu if work is much closer to her (as her job pays much less than mine, she agreed to look for another job closer to the new home wherever that may be), as the only thing the Neon needs is a valve cover gasket and motor mounts (easy enough to do).

Then again, I have a loathing for that Neon.
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