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Old 01-27-2004, 01:07 AM   #11
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No sweat, Ty. You have a comparable product to offer. Glad you popped in here.
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Old 01-27-2004, 11:13 AM   #12
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Thanks Ty, that'* good info. You'd be saving me money as well.

I'll probably get my car in the springtime, have all my mods in within a month. If my trans goes, I may be contacting you.

EDIT: I know it'* far away, but I'm just planning things right now.
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Old 01-27-2004, 10:36 PM   #13
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we feel competent that our units are at least equal to the markets competition.
I feel confident that you are mistaken. Here'* a copy of the writeup from our website:

This is - without question - THE BEST aftermarket transaxle on the market today. The INTENSE™ 4T65E-HD transaxle provides precise, firm shifts, shorter shift cycle times and is still very streetable. It is significantly stronger than stock, and addresses each of the major shortcomings we have discovered to date. Please follow along while we point out some of our improvements.

INTENSE™ Transaxles are built with several CUSTOM ITEMS that we've developed to increase the strength in known weak areas:



The INTENSE™ Bulletproof Input Shaft is included.



An INTENSE™ Extreme Duty Torque Converter (your choice in stall speed) is standard with every transaxle we sell.



ARP™ Flexplate Bolts are shipped with every INTENSE™ Transaxle.



The INTENSE™ Street/Strip Performance Shift Pak is included.

A custom performance shift kit is also added to the 3-4 accumulator to help increase the life of the fourth clutch.

Our custom Line Boost Valve and Sleeve aids reverse engagement and the 1-2 shift.

All INTENSE™ Transaxles use Raybestos heavy duty frictions in a proprietary friction and steel combination. The goals are to reduce clearance in the clutch packs while retaining wave plates for reliability and streetability.

The Reverse Servo Seal is replaced with and upgrade in order to prevent high mileage failure of reverse due to seal wear.



INTENSE™ Transaxles use 7/8" spur gear sprockets, instead of the stock 180 degree offset double roller chain and gears.

The third clutch piston inner seal assembly is updated to prevent leakage.



An INTENSE™ Limited Slip Differential is standard fare in every transaxle we build.

A through-hardened channel plate sleeve is used in place of the original, to prevent TCC failure due to sleeve wear.



INTENSE™ Transaxles include our new forged Output Shaft.





Each transaxle case is painted with (your choice of 1966 - 1970 Pontiac Metallic Blue, 1970 - 1975 Buick Red, Aluminum, Black, or Bright Red) high-heat paint.

We include a tranny cooler line flush kit with each transaxle, so you can be sure all debris is removed instead of risking contamination of the new valve body.
In addition to all the custom items listed above, all INTENSE™ Transaxles include NEW replacements of the following STANDARD ITEMS: input clutch piston, input clutch steels, second clutch piston, second clutch steels, third clutch piston, fourth clutch shaft, fourth clutch apply plate, fourth clutch steels, all rubber seals, all Teflon® seals, all lip seals, drive sprocket thrust washer, drive chain fluid scoop, valve body, valve body spacer plate, PC solenoid, 1-2 shift solenoid, 2-3 shift solenoid, TCC solenoid, TFP switch, internal wiring harness, all check balls and the filter.

TAA-293 2.93 INTENSE™ 4T65E-HD Transaxle
TAA-329 3.29 INTENSE™ 4T65E-HD Transaxle
TAA-369 3.69 INTENSE™ 4T65E-HD Transaxle

Hope this helps.

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Old 01-27-2004, 10:40 PM   #14
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Everything looks so good, I don't know what to choose.

I've read up on all the different transaxles, but they all seem the same to me.

However, ZZP is right down the street from me, and Intense is a short drive South.
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Not personal Scott but the unit and procedure you mention above are great and standard to me. Well other than the unique part being the input shaft..and the guy who does my units has no problem machining one for us. We also looked into a few other options but really the unit is strong enough for the average 4t60-e or 4t65-e owner.

When we charge this much it is expected to offer a transaxle that carries all new internal parts.

My site has not been updated but we will show cool shiny pictures of our units and we use all basic colors or my favorite Jolly Ollie Orange. (Our color choice).

Truly the best 4t65-e is on a 900hp j body. They used your shaft but as I was told by one of the builders the transaxles the surveyed were not special or that great but they said a few had some unique ideas built in. That said and except for the input shaft all the parts listed can be bought and applied.

-I believe you’re units are great from what I have read and a few people who have commented. but the best unit is a big pull. One of the best I would agree with. and your ingenuity is very obvious.

I am also the first to admit I don’t actually do all my transaxle work.

Scott do you?


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Sol if I was you I would go with zzp they are closest and it’* not like your running more than 500hp.

Keep it simple.

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Yea, sounds good.

Thanks everyone.
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Originally Posted by 13secGTP
Just a little FYI:

Zooomer uses an INTENSE tranny. Some parts may be custom for him but Intense is the brains behind it. When Zoomer'* Intense tranny went out, its true he did take it to a local shop and Intennse covered the bill IIRC.

And for $4000 the Intense unit is a 100 times better than the Trasher one. If Mike Dye can blow one up (numerous times) then that should say something for it. Yes Intense has lost a couple also, but they were in 10-11sec GTP/SSEi'* NOT a low 12sec lightened GTP.

Not bashing Thrasher, just pointing out facts.


Good Luck!
Well, it is true that Zooomer uses an INTENSE tranny, but in reality he kind of doesn't. He started out with an INTENSE tranny, but when stuff started to break (yes Scott, some of your stuff does break), he would get it rebuilt. He replaced some of the INTENSE heavy duty parts with the same thing, but he also has some non-INTENSE parts installed into it also. We are getting the tranny rebuilt in the GTP shortly (within the next month probably) because the stock tranny has finally started to give out, and it is going to have the INTENSE input shaft, and the 3.29 gears, an INTENSE torque convertor, and the INTENSE chains, along with getting another INTENSE LSD to replace the one that is already in the car (which was a replacement for the 1st). The car is going to be brought to a local tranny shop that Zooomer knows, and the tranny is also going to get heavy duty clutches and the whole works. I don't remember the exact price quote, but I know it was SIGNIFICANTLY less than a new INTENSE tranny (IIRC it was like $1500+ cheaper), and according to Zooomer it is probably going to be a little stronger than the INTENSE tranny.

I realize that the $1000 Zooomer paid to get his tranny rebuilt doesn't nearly apply for stock trannies, and I never said it did. What I was referring to was based on the price quotes I have seen for the tranny in our GTP, not Zooomers.

I still think, that since you are so close to Zooomer, you should take a little drive down there and talk to him. I am pretty sure he could give you a very fair price on a very strong transmission.

Just my $.02.

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How much does ZZP charge?
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I would go with any of them except Thrasher. I went with thrasher and its been such a joy. First it all started when I ordered the tranny. Told them it was for a Bonnie. Well after waiting 2 weeks the unit arrived, I pulled out my broken tranny before checking out the new one. Turns out they sent a tranny for a W body. It was missing the bosses for the tranny mount by the fire wall. Then I had to deal with their "wonderful" customer service. It took 2 days for them to call me back. It was decided to take the tranny to Mike Dye and he would transfer the new guts to the old case. That took a few days, but it didn't cost me anything but time. All was good for about 3 months and the torque converter broke. Sent metal through everything. Thrasher could not help me because they sell the unit without a converter. The converter I bought through Mike. After trying to get in contact with him many times I said screw it and I took the unit apart and cleaned it and got another converter. Now 5 months later The input, pump, and converter let go. Due in part to the 3.29 gearing and not having the computer reprogrammed for the change. The tranny would set a ratio code and the computer would max out line pressure and the pump would whine. So it worked itself to death. Just wished I could have gotten the computer program that was promised to me back in July. So now I sit here with a destroyed tranny trying to save up enough money for a better one. Funny thing is I never went to the track and only put on 3200 miles.
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