Every car is different I guess. I think the point trying to be made here is, PEM'* are a good cheap alternative, that still performs well.

Yes, minor weight reduction (minor being the key word), upgraded injectors, PCM was custom tuned maybe an ICCU? I know he got one either right before or right after, sorry that'* it. I'll throw a little better known name out - Zoomer.

Zoomer'* '99 GTP 12.8 and 12.6 with NOS!

PEM'*
P&P TB
Intense Rockers
Polished M90
2.85 Pulley
Race Gas
DR

Do you have a list to this guys profile or something where it lists his mods? I searched on clubGP and couldn't find anyone with close to those mods with that time. And, you can't leave out the little things. "Oh yeah, it has injectors, and maybe an ICCU too." Well, you should've said that at first, those things make a difference, otherwise, why would they have them? Little mods all add up. How do you think we brought my dads GTP down to 12.0'* from 12.80? Other than the tranny work, we didn't do anything big. An ud pulley here, fan switch there, injectors, a little PCM work, a little tuning, heat insulating, experimenting with different spark plugs, adjustable timing, learning how to drive it a little better, etc... All those things add up.

Yes, Zooomers '99 was quick for what it had done to it, I'll admit, however 12.9'* (because that car went 12.94, not 12.8'*) is a SIGNIFICANTLY easier to achieve than 12.4'*. Not only that, but the car was slightly more modified than you make it out to be. It had slicks, not drag radials. Zooomer also had an underdrive pulley for the alternator and water pump, a shift kit, 3" downpipe, 2.5" exhaust, 160 t-stat, and an aftermarket PCM. He installed a lighter batter, removed brackets from the engine, installed lighter speakers (afterall, he owns a stereo shop), installed a fan switch, and ran mostly water in the cooling system for better cooling. Yeah, none of the stuff I listed was really major, but its all the little stuff that adds up to big things. And, its not like all that stuff was cheap either, when you add it up, it cost quite a bit. And, like I said, that half second makes a huge difference.

Shawn

I just really wanna know how much power I will gain, to get a good overall estimate of my car.

Well, that depends on a lot of things. However, my guess would be 8-10 crank hp, probably about the same torque. You'll gain about 2 tenths or so in the 1/4, but it should pretty much rid of all your kr.

Shawn

Good, that'* what I'm hoping for.

Yes, believe me I know that the little stuff adds up. If I was going to post tiny things it would be so long (and not worth my time). And where do you draw the line, you could go into spark plug gap, outside temp, or even saying ZZP lost 20 lbs. from one run to another. My point in posting is that 12'* are possible and even mid to low 12'* with PEM'*. Is it going to be easier to do with headers? Ya BUT I guess you could say the same about throwing a big turbo on instead of the M90 to get into the 10'*.

Anyways I'm done on this subject, the point has been proven that PEM'* are a good cheep alternative, that still perform well.

I believe I said that you definately can go 12'* with PEM'*. I know it can be done. It can be done on stock manifolds as well. (theres even a guy going mid 14'* in a 3.8L stock cam/stock heads GP GT on stock manifolds) The point I was making was that if you're planning on going 12'* to begin with, then go with headers, it will save you money due to the other mods you are gonna have to buy to make up for not buying the headers. That was the point I was making. But yes, they are definately a cheap alternative that give a good gain, no doubt. They just don't make sense for someone trying to go fast. And you definately could say that it is a lot easier to throw a big turbo on a L67 instead of the M90, thats obvious, the reason Zooomer kept the M90 on his car was to show that you can go fast without drastically changing things like that. He even posted on ClubGP that he was planning on running the M90 until he went 10'* with it, then he would go to something that made more sense. But, if you called up ZZP and said you wanted to go 10'* what would you need to do it, I can basically garuntee you they are going to tell you to switch power adders. (among many other things obviously)

Shawn