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Old 12-22-2004, 09:07 PM   #11
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There are a quite a few people with GTP'* in the mid to low 12'* with PEM'*. If you think that your are going to upgrade to headers down the line to get that extra edge, i'd say not to fuss with installing PEM'*. For a $100 you can't go wrong with PEM'*.
Plus, installation will be easy, and I will have no clearance problems since they keep the stock form.
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I am still waiting to get my front ported manifold installed. I know I can do it, but I have heard horror stories of having to heat up the bolts, so I may take it to a shop.
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I am still waiting to get my front ported manifold installed. I know I can do it, but I have heard horror stories of having to heat up the bolts, so I may take it to a shop.
The front manifold is a breeze. It'* the rear one that will drive you to drink. The downpipe bolts are a horror to get off. Make sure you have an impact to do this, rachet/wrench won't cut it to break those bolts loose.
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When I had my DP installed, the bolts had to have a torch to them. Luckly it was on a lift, so it wasn't too hard.
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do you replace the bolts when you put a new one on or do you use the old ones?
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New ones were used.
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There are a quite a few people with GTP'* in the mid to low 12'* with PEM'*. If you think that your are going to upgrade to headers down the line to get that extra edge, i'd say not to fuss with installing PEM'*. For a $100 you can't go wrong with PEM'*.
Yes, but those people are far from mildly modded. The ones running low 12'* (and actually, I can't really think of any that are running low 12'*) have fairly big cams (like the XP for instance) AND an Intercooler. And, the ones that don't usually have at least a cam. They have some big bucks into their cars. Now, high 12'* can be done on rockers with no intercooler and PCM, but it takes some traction and some really good tuning. Its not like its easy to run low-mid 12'* with PEMs. And at that point, the manifolds are the restriction. You throw headers on and its an immediate drop of a half second or so. Don't get me wrong, they are a great mod for someone wanting to gain power, but doesn't want to go too fast (like if you think you might wanna go 12'*, you really might as well go with headers), they just hold you back a lot when you wanna go into the 12'* very far.

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My bolts weren't that bad to get off for the rear header. I used a 12" long socket wrench, with a 12" extension, and universal joint. Took some effort, but I got it off, and I am not the strongest person in the world. I also did not need a torch. Just for the record. If I were to do it again, some PB Blaster would be on my list of things to do. I think that would have made it easier.. since I was under the car, and there wasn't a whole lot of room to play.


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There are a quite a few people with GTP'* in the mid to low 12'* with PEM'*. If you think that your are going to upgrade to headers down the line to get that extra edge, i'd say not to fuss with installing PEM'*. For a $100 you can't go wrong with PEM'*.
Yes, but those people are far from mildly modded. The ones running low 12'* (and actually, I can't really think of any that are running low 12'*) have fairly big cams (like the XP for instance) AND an Intercooler. And, the ones that don't usually have at least a cam. They have some big bucks into their cars. Now, high 12'* can be done on rockers with no intercooler and PCM, but it takes some traction and some really good tuning. Its not like its easy to run low-mid 12'* with PEMs. And at that point, the manifolds are the restriction. You throw headers on and its an immediate drop of a half second or so. Don't get me wrong, they are a great mod for someone wanting to gain power, but doesn't want to go too fast (like if you think you might wanna go 12'*, you really might as well go with headers), they just hold you back a lot when you wanna go into the 12'* very far.

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Everything else about the PEM'* and header I think your right on. BUT like I said before for 100 buck you can't pass on PEM'*
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If you have any experience with making L67'* go fast, you know you're not gonna go mid 12'* with that setup. Believe me, he'* leaving some stuff out. Probably forgot about the hundeds of pounds worth of weight reduction too... You're not gonna do 12.4'* on a 3" pulley with a Gen III M90 in a full weight (other than spare tire and jack), its not gonna happen. Who is it that did this? Where are there bigger injectors? If you're running basically in the 12'* at all, you need bigger injectors? What do they tune it with??? I'm sure they didn't just throw the cam in there and leave fuel and timing alone, there is no way. Those mods are good for about mid-low 13'*, not mid-low 12'*.

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