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Old 02-10-2003, 11:36 AM   #21
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my friends lil chevy sprint 3 banger speedo goes up to 140 miles a hour


when was the last time you saw a sprint/festiva/geo metro go over 70miles without a hill?
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Old 02-10-2003, 11:39 AM   #22
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good point!
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OK OK I has had enough and i cant stands no more!!!

LOL

Actually fellow Bonneville lovers we are also blind and as great as our cars can be so too can a Grand Am. As we all know the gm trick has always been handicap or build engines within a certain (level/ designated performance barrier for each dollar you spend). This makes vette owners feel special. This is why you get so much out of a 3.8l headwork compared to "other" import engines who don’t need head work. This is why a 4.6l 300hp caddy engine can reach 12000hp when given serious options. The 3.4 is the same but handicapped even more due to the fact it is actually a better built engine stock than the 3.8l. LOL opps did I leave ray on the porch. It does not mean that the Grand Am stock is faster...But better...I think… I know!! The 3.4 are a better-built engine. I believe the plastic upper intake on the 3.8 is one huge indicator of what I am talking about. I also believe to compare designated GM cars is very silly. You can get insane hp ratings out of the 3.4 and the Sunfire engines are also well built and there are Sunfires out there that will blow the lot of us away with a passenger in the car. Actually I know of at least one driver who reached lift off. As for the anemic transaxle issue I have a customer with a 2000 Grand Am that will be receiving a modified 4t60-e that will work with the stock electronics and will take on its governed 415hp with no problems what so ever. I will get you 1/4-mile times later this year. Oh this Grand Am is in Ontario so I will let you know when and where to go to watch it happen. LOL Bring your Bonneville’*.

I love the Bonneville but all the band wagon blanket statements are just as silly as the lack of knowledge of the Grand am owner mentioned in the beginning of this post. I believe until hector finishes his line of product or someone beats him to the punch the 3.8 owner should stay quiet. I think Intense and ZZ performance have put the 3.8 on the map but until zz performance posted the Centrifugal SC there was no real outstanding options. Hector will build an awesome turbo and then either with a Centrifugal sc or a turbo you will have the insane HP options. Intense has a great head options too, but hector will build a new upper intake and strap a turbo to it for about 600hp. This would not be a stock engine but still then it will rock. I also believe the 3.8l can reach the 800hp mark. BUT be very careful not to make fools of yourselves when ganging up on this guy. Also there is already a 350 dropped into a RWD Grand Am sorry so far no Bonneville done this way.


Remember I love the Bonneville but you guys were starting to make 3.8 owners look like a wide-eyed lynch mob. Put theGrand Am that will be receiving a modified 4t60-e that will work with the stock electronics and will take on its governed 415hp with no problems what so ever. I will get you 1/4-mile times later this year. Oh this Grand Am is in Ontario so I will let you know when and where to go to watch it happen. LOL Bring your Bonneville’*.

I love the Bonneville but all the band wagon blanket statements are just as silly as the lack of knowledge of the Grand am owner mentioned in the beginning of this post. I believe until hector finishes his line of product or someone beats him to the punch the 3.8 owner should stay quiet. I think Intense and ZZ performance have put the 3.8 on the map but until zz performance posted the Centrifugal SC there was no real outstanding options. Hector will build an awesome turbo and then either with a Centrifugal sc or a turbo you will have the insane HP options. Intense has a great head options too, but hector will build a new upper intake and strap a turbo to it for about 600hp. This would not be a stock engine but still then it will rock. I also believe the 3.8l can reach the 800hp mark. BUT be very careful not to make fools of yourselves when ganging up on this guy. Also there is already a 350 dropped into a RWD Grand Am sorry so far no Bonneville done this way.


Remember I love the Bonneville but you guys were starting to make 3.8 owners look like a wide-eyed lynch mob. Put the pitchforks down.

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Although there may be more mods for the Grand Am and maybe its a better engine to mod but I am talking about stock GM cars going head 2 head. I am not talking durability or anything else. Brand new, the GTP and Bonneville ssei will kick the grand ams *** any day. I would buy a bonneville or gtp any day over a frigain grand am.
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Although there may be more mods for the Grand Am and maybe its a better engine to mod but I am talking about stock GM cars going head 2 head. I am not talking durability or anything else. Brand new, the GTP and Bonneville ssei will kick the grand ams *** any day. I would buy a bonneville or gtp any day over a frigain grand am.
LOL ok I guess we might want to take this all the way for the less than visonary. Ok I would rather buy a vette than a Bonneville on the same merit. Now what? The fact is if you buy a Sunfire you spend less on Gm’* handicapping and have more left for real hp mods. So as great as our Bonneville is remembering there is always something better. The Grand Am is a great car. I wonder how much a stock 1998 grand am is worth right now, then take the same aged Bonneville and then take the difference in cost and add a sc to the Grand Am. LOL now you are deep in the 13'* with a Grand Am and spent the same money. You are entitled to your opinion as this is a free world but the merit of your concept is flawed. Now take the same financial difference and use it on a Sunfire.

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You must remember, ty, that this orginally started as an argument between my roomate and myself. He said that a Grand am gt will be a gtp anyday. the argument was not about cost and not about modifications. This kid knows nothing about cars so modifications would not have come into his train of thought nor did he mention it.
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I understand and yeah the Grand Am stock will get smoked, but it turned into a lynch mob. Not your fault and I also prefer the Bonneville to a Grand Am but if I had a chance to have both I would. GTO will be nice, but it needs alot of work on its look.

Anyway your roommate is wrong the Grand Am was made by GM to go slower. The car has a tone of merit but stock it is slower.


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I realize it was turning into an angry mob but the facts state that the gtp is better stock and everyone knew that. The knew my roomates claim was incredibly ridiculous and they wanted to say so.
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HAHA, to all of that crazyness.
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1998 or 99 was the last year of the 4t60-e in the Grand Am. I get the point and yea even though I keep my Bonneville I would buy a Grand Am (wife might get one). Yea and put a sc in it. I actually need almost one of every gm car and a few others but I just don’t have the money right now. I really want to get a skylark set up and am looking for owners who want there skylark set up with performance parts. I was also wondering what parts cross over already?

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