How do you figure they use the same fronts last time I checked at GM they weren't the same.

Last time I checked GM they WERE the same.

Lemme rephrase it, they are the same from 2000-2003.

Ugh Hmm! , Bag em and drag em. I often wonder if I really do have the worlds only bagged Bonnie, I seen a couple donks but that'* not the same. Guess I got my $3000 worth in parts, fabricating, and labor. It'* cool though if You guys can pull this off for much less,... at least the look but not the functions.. The GXP does look sexier dropped to the tires. But I see a problem,..... the rear spring are only there for the ride, the car doesnt sit on the springs.Ride height is determined by the rear air shocks. Possibly the height link/solenoid I have disabled could be altered to accommodate a lower stance? I really think you would need an on/off switch on the compressor and a way to "bleed out" Baggng the rear was elementary and the best way to go. And the cheapest part of my suspension build. We just put air bags in place of the rear springs and coupled the rear shocks to them. They are filled and bled through an air manifold with solenoid valves and have digital pressure sensors that send sinals to my display gauge to balance them. But the Bags could be tee'd to a schrader valve and filled or hooked to the stock compressor with an on/off switch for alot less money. The bags were only $100 a piece. Holes had to be drilled into the rear spring brackets to fit the studs on the bags.

I'm ALWAYS interested in a full air ride. Got pics of what all you did?

I've been really busy with summer/ death / new marriage, but plan to get up a new thread in "Your ride" for the explosion it seems of newer members. So I shot a pic after I clayed the car last night( I guess it fits this thread so I'll post it here till I have time for a photo shot. For newer members the Venom sits on Air struts, collared by custom air bags, in the front ; And air bags tee'd into the OEM air shocks in the back. It goes from sitting on it'* tires to nearly a foot over the tires. Controlled by a digital remote (Not bulky switches) with a 4 corner digital pressure display unit in the cabin. Powered by twin Viair 12V compressors and a 3 Gallon Chrome air tank. Custom braided Stainless lines ( no plastic tubing ), all brass manifold / fittings / solenoid valves. Not meaning to steal the thread, but here'* how The Bonnie looks when done Right:

The World'* Only Bonneville sitting on Bags.

GXP Venom, question for ya-

Say I only got the front springs, would the rear end automatically adjust it'* ride height then?

If this IS in fact the case, who would be up for just a FRONT spring group buy?

If you want ti like that you have to get the whole set up...


I should know on a 1.2 to a 1.5 inch drop by monday.

According to Venom'* post, the rear spring doesn't affect ride height. So, my question was, why would I need the full kit, if the front spring controls the front height, the rear strut controls the rear? And, if that is the case, shouldn't the rear struts automatically adjust the ride height after one would lower the front?

Not the same. The 04 and 05 GXP has a performance tuned front suspension designate <FE5> It is inherent only to the GXP.

Guys, I know a great deal more about Bagging than I do the stock set-up, but here'* what I know/think. The rear springs dont set the ride height , the Air Shocks do. AND they run totally independent of what you do to the front. The rear height is a constant set by a control in the rear. But..... I am not sure how far the coil springs will give before the rear does sit on them. There is a steel rod/link with a switch hooked to the left side of the rear. It is responsible for ride height/airshock pressure. On my car it is held with some zip ties so the stock compressor doesnt run. Because the lines from the OEM air compressor are capped and the OEM lines from the air shocks are tee'd into my rear air bags. It doesnt effect Traction control, but I have no idea what it does to StabilTrack which I'm sure get'* input from the rear height. Regardless of your front height, the rear height is governed by this link. Or that'* what I assume, maybe a gearhead that knows more about the height control will pipe in. Seems to me if shorten the rod you may be able to alter the rear ride height. One thing is for sure, shorter coils in the rear will not lower the car . More likely screw up the ride, cause more bottoming out, and additional stress on the rear air shocks.

Side note anbout warranties. Each State has there own little quirks about aftermarket adds. NY where the Venom is registered has a most liberal one on the side of the consumer policy. So if You are worried about warranties, ask your dealer not anyone'* opinion here, Cause thats all it is, an opinion. In NY a mod cannot void the warranty unless the Dealer/Maker can prove the mod caused damage. But that proof can be them merely pointing to the fact that a modification was done on an area now giving problems. So even in a most liberal State like this one, If I or someone who alters his suspension with shorter height springs and a tierod / suspension part gives / even something like our troublesome intermediate shaft,. You are going to pay for the replacement, and then the suspension portion of the warranty voided. I made a knowledgeable choice and accept the risk and can afford repairs. I also know the Dealer is aware of my Nox kit and if I fold up the engine/tranny/transaxle, they are going to point to that. All I'm saying is dont go into this blindly if Your cant budget paying for repairs.

Well then, I know atleast that the Caddy Eibachs' and ST'* will work on my 2000 SE

So then, if the rear spring doesn't actually determine ride height, would I have to custom fill my rear struts to the desired height then?