qwouldnt the other headers have this same problem?...if so how do you get around it?

You may have a problem with the Pacesetters at the firewall. They aren't like other headers that have the collector at the firewall. You will actually have 2 tubes running down aways.

Bonne exhaust are more to left vs a WBODY? Please correct me if I'm wrong on that, so the PaceSetter'* prolly won't fit.

i have no experience with pasesetters for any 3800, but back duing my saturn tuner days we used to laugh at the pacesetters. they would often rust off your car long before you finished that perticular tank of gas.

Yes they are cheap headers but that is the point. Bang for the buck. If you get them coated they are actually not bad. But hell $350 for 1 3/4" primary heads for a 3800....thats a steal especially since they come with a 3" downpipe. The only other company that makes 1 3/4" headers for our cars wants over $1k for them....

We have installed 2 sets of pacesetters on grand prixs (you would think the easiest 3800 to fit) in the past 2 weeks.

The quality is subpar. The slip fit joints are extremely loose. We had to have an exhaust shop bump the inside ends to help correct the 1/8 inch gap. The clamps that come with them are certainly not strong enough to clamp the slip fit joints together. The downpipe flex joint is not quite the correct angle to mate squarely and when drawn to fit by the bolts leaves a slight tension on the flex assembly. The gaskets are a joke (paper manifold gaskets? wtf?) and instead of an 02 extension cable they give you wire to cut your own cable and splice it together (and we all now how important a correct 02 reading is). If you are on an absolute budget these are better than PEM'* but by far the worst quality headers I have seen for the 3800.

JMO

Alright, so I'm confused. The headers in this link I've quoted are Pacesetters? Or did we go off-topic somewhere?

Basically, the price for these is the only price that will fit in my budget, and I would love to try these out! I noticed it fits the GP, but their downpipe and u-bend are different.

I did some looking in his store, and I didn't see anything specifically for the Bonneville, but I'll ask, and go from there.

Good find, 1337ssei!! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on these!