K&N filters vs everything else and better cone filters - GM Forum - Buick, Cadillac, Chev, Olds, GMC & Pontiac chat


Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning Talk about modifications, or anything else associated with performance enhancements. Have a new idea for performance/reliability? Post it here. No idea is stupid! (please use Detailing and Appearance for cosmetic ideas)

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-18-2003, 04:19 AM   #1
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 359
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Kuhl is on a distinguished road
Default K&N filters vs everything else and better cone filters

http://www.mcagraphix.com/filter/test.htm

Been hearing some pretty bad filtering results about K&Ns...read the link above

Might want to check out these filters, they look tons better, cheaper also.

http://www.intenseperformance.com/pr...e_filters.html

All these bonneville stores may want to consider these new cone filters with 3 inch flanges, superior filtering qualities and air flow.[/url]
Kuhl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 12:18 PM   #2
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 409
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
parallelcircuits is on a distinguished road
Default

Are the filters reusable? They look like oil fiters in the pictures it am just trying to imagine how hard it is to clean the inside cone of that fiter and the it will need to be reoiled also. The first article states how he hated the difficulty of cleaning some of the oil filters can you imagine this one. Don't get me wrong they look great I have seen the same design used some were else also. I am just worried about cleaning.
parallelcircuits is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 01:13 PM   #3
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Kansas
Posts: 380
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
buzzbomber88le is on a distinguished road
Default

Baaaaaaaaa. Don't believe any of it. A K&N is THE best you can get, but a different intake would work better for you. The stock air box is very restrictive so people usually go with intakes from speedyguy. If you don't upgrade the filter box then go with an accel blue filter from summit or go with the K&N. After putting them on you will notice great increases in low end and high end power and way better throttle response. By great I'm not saying it will give a gillion hp but probably only like 2hp. Napa is a stock replacement filter and was made to filter better but more filtration=worse airflow. The K&N was made to flow faster and not block all the air that is why they say you are supposed to clean them often and they make filtercharger kits.
buzzbomber88le is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 02:11 PM   #4
Junior Member
Posts like a Ricer Type-R
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
willwren is on a distinguished road
Default

Actually....the K&N ISN'T cleaned very often. Only every 50-100k. I've heard rumblings about the failures of K&N'* in the past, but in reality, it would take a helluva lab to prove one better than the other. The differences are miniscule. Don't hesitate to buy a competitor'* product if it'* noticeably cheaper, but before you do, read the reviews on that product.

I personally believe nobody in the world would notice the difference if someone substituted an 'imitator' in a car already outfitted with a k&n.
willwren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 04:04 PM   #5
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 359
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Kuhl is on a distinguished road
Default

You guys ever visit this forum? http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

They are constantly downing K&Ns, but then ya get a few that swear by em.

If I get one I will make sure that its cleaned/oiled much more than it supposed to be, because with a lot of the tests that people have ran there is a huge difference in the amount of dirt going through a K&N than even OEM filters. I wish I could just buy a cone type paper or equalivant filter and be able to replace it whenever I want to.

Because I think the issue with the bonnevilles air box is not that you have to get a K&N cone setup to improve the air flow, its that the box itself is so restricting and by replacing it with a more free-flowing system you can achieve noticeable hp gains. So even a paper would bring very noticeable and satisfactory results if coned.
Kuhl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 04:20 PM   #6
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Cali
Posts: 1,587
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
speedyguy is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by willwren
Actually....the K&N ISN'T cleaned very often. Only every 50-100k. I've heard rumblings about the failures of K&N'* in the past, but in reality, it would take a helluva lab to prove one better than the other. The differences are miniscule. Don't hesitate to buy a competitor'* product if it'* noticeably cheaper, but before you do, read the reviews on that product.

I personally believe nobody in the world would notice the difference if someone substituted an 'imitator' in a car already outfitted with a k&n.
I agree Will. The fact is the difference is minimal but I personally like to air on the safe side as well and stick with K&N. That said if I ever sell an intake and a customer wants a different filter I am glad to sell them a different unit.

Ty
speedyguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 06:01 PM   #7
Junior Member
Posts like a Ricer Type-R
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
willwren is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuhl
You guys ever visit this forum? http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

They are constantly downing K&Ns, but then ya get a few that swear by em.

If I get one I will make sure that its cleaned/oiled much more than it supposed to be, because with a lot of the tests that people have ran there is a huge difference in the amount of dirt going through a K&N than even OEM filters. I wish I could just buy a cone type paper or equalivant filter and be able to replace it whenever I want to.

Because I think the issue with the bonnevilles air box is not that you have to get a K&N cone setup to improve the air flow, its that the box itself is so restricting and by replacing it with a more free-flowing system you can achieve noticeable hp gains. So even a paper would bring very noticeable and satisfactory results if coned.
Yikes! Kuhl, be careful. You like your MAF sensor. MAF sensor GOOD. Oil BAD. Even slightly over-oiling a filter can kill your Maf sensor. We've lost a couple here due to that.
willwren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 06:36 PM   #8
Senior Member
Posts like a 4 Banger
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 131
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
NVSSEI is on a distinguished road
Default

I personally don't give a rats a$$ what their "lab testing" says. I used to work for a short track dirt racer. We tried them all. I can tell you from experience that the K&N is far superior to anything else under extremely dusty and dirty conditions. The proof, you ask. The wear factor in the engine after he began using the K&N was virtually non-existant. This tells me there'* not much dirt getting in there. (no sandpaper effect) Enough proof for me to become a lifetime K&N user.
NVSSEI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 07:35 PM   #9
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Cali
Posts: 1,587
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
speedyguy is on a distinguished road
Default

Thank you NVSSEI.

Ty
speedyguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2003, 09:49 PM   #10
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 359
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Kuhl is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Yikes! Kuhl, be careful. You like your MAF sensor. MAF sensor GOOD. Oil BAD. Even slightly over-oiling a filter can kill your Maf sensor. We've lost a couple here due to that.
I said I would clean and reoil it more than it specifies...like more often, not more oil...

You say it was used for a racing application, vehicles that are disassembled constantly and have constant maintence regardless of the manufacturerers specifications. The thing with K&N'* are that their between re-oiling schedule is off. I am sure you cleaned it after every race, K&N specifies that you re-oil it after every 50k-100k miles. The KN is very porous and without the right amount of oiling huge particles are flying into your engine.[/url]
Kuhl is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Are K&N air filters really that much better? Pologuy Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning 16 07-10-2009 07:10 PM
service security system & everything else woody9622 Everything Electrical & Electronic 4 06-05-2007 03:15 PM
$&)$&*)#&+()#%& )#@(%&#)%*(&+_ Maymybonnieliveforevr Lounge 6 05-02-2007 07:07 PM
Cone Filters nhodne689 Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning 26 03-07-2006 04:53 PM
Cone Filters Bret1994SSEI 1992-1999 8 10-09-2002 03:31 AM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:44 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.