Intense PCM - Page 3 - GM Forum - Buick, Cadillac, Chev, Olds, GMC & Pontiac chat


Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning Talk about modifications, or anything else associated with performance enhancements. Have a new idea for performance/reliability? Post it here. No idea is stupid! (please use Detailing and Appearance for cosmetic ideas)

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-29-2007, 04:48 PM   #21
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,451
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
agrazela is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 99SSEI
What'* the difference between a "Powertrain Control Module Security Relearn Procedure" and a CASE learn?
Security re-learns apply only to 2000+ year vehicles.
agrazela is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 04:53 PM   #22
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,451
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
agrazela is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hugger10
well crap I guess I need to get a case learn then. I was wondering why my car didn't feel any faster. Oh well I used to work at the dealer so maybe they cut me some slack. At least the dam thing started up at all though.
How long to Case learns take?
Once your car is warmed up, a CASE learn takes about 2 minutes...though the dealer will likely charge you a 1/2 or full hours' labor (maybe that'* where the slack can be cut you).

I'm beginning to wonder if you'll need a security re-learn on your returned PCM (I wouldn't expect so; in any case, that'* a DIY)...or whether some of your problems with the '98 PCM in the '01 car have to do with that, hmmm....
agrazela is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 05:28 PM   #23
Senior Member
Posts like a Supercharger
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 185
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
99SSEI is on a distinguished road
Default

I don't have the tool to do a CASE learn. The dealer quoted me one hour labor (about $100). Anyone in Chicago suburbs have one?
99SSEI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 07:54 PM   #24
Senior Member
Posts like a Northstar
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Robertsdale Alabama
Posts: 500
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
hugger10 is on a distinguished road
Default

the dealer did it for $50. But I didn't notice a power difference tho.

How long is my car going to take so long to start? Ever since that Crank Relearn it takes a few turns before the car will start running.
hugger10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2007, 08:29 AM   #25
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
 
BillBoost37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Enfield, CT
Posts: 41,391
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

You might also check GP boards for a local member with the ability to do the Case learn.
BillBoost37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2007, 10:40 AM   #26
Senior Member
Posts like a Supercharger
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 185
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
99SSEI is on a distinguished road
Default

Wow! I called 3 GM dealerships in the area (2 of which are Pontiac specific). 1 in Glendale Hts. wanted to program the PCM back to factory and didn't comprehend what I needed done. 1 in Park Ridge knew what I needed done, but claimed they didn't have the right tool (bull crap!). Finally, Schaumburg Pontiac said they've done many cars like ours (Bonnevilles, GXP'*, GTP'*). I have appointment to see them tomorrow after work. It'll cost me 1 hour labor or 108$ plus tax. Drag!
99SSEI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2007, 01:18 PM   #27
Senior Member
Posts like a Northstar
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Robertsdale Alabama
Posts: 500
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
hugger10 is on a distinguished road
Default

something isnt right now, ever since I had the dealer do the crank shaft relearn every time I start the car more than a few minutes after i shut it off it takes a few turns to get it started. but if i shut it off then start it again it starts fine. So would that be the fault of intense or the dealer?
hugger10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2007, 01:26 PM   #28
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
 
BillBoost37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Enfield, CT
Posts: 41,391
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

Hugger...I would say neither and suggest starting a fresh thread for it.
BillBoost37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2007, 01:42 PM   #29
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,451
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
agrazela is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hugger10
something isnt right now, ever since I had the dealer do the crank shaft relearn every time I start the car more than a few minutes after i shut it off it takes a few turns to get it started. but if i shut it off then start it again it starts fine. So would that be the fault of intense or the dealer?
I don't think you made it clear...

Did you get this dealership CASE learn done on your '98 SE PCM, or on your original PCM that you sent to (and got back from) Intense?
(I am assuming the latter, even though I hate to assume :P )

I see three obvious possibilities:
1) Intense'* program just doesn't like your car.
2) The dealership did a PCM stock re-program rather than just a CASE learn, and the stock program doesn't like your mods.
3) There is something mechanically wrong with your car, probably in your ignition or fueling system (dirty injectors, bad fuel pressure regulator, wrong plugs, bad spark plug wire or coil, plugged fuel filter, etc.; maybe a simple vaccum leak somewhere)

(FWIW, my money'* on number 3) above...furthermore, I am calling out a fuel pressure/delivery issue; anyone know offhand if the 2001'* are subject to the FPR recall?)

I suggest you go over your vaccum, fuel and ignition systems with a fine tooth comb to make sure there'* no mechanical issues...I'm assuming if you were throwing codes, you'd have said so...
Meanwhile, confirm exactly what the dealership did to your PCM...

I hope you find a mechanical problem, because you are in kind of a bind otherwise...as I see it, you either have no "fallback" stock PCM, or you have an Intense PCM that'* been "wiped" back to stock by the dealer.

EDIT: I posted this while hugger was starting his new thread...
agrazela is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2007, 02:40 PM   #30
Senior Member
Posts like a Supercharger
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 185
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
99SSEI is on a distinguished road
Default

After talking with INTENSE, it was discovered that the change in shift points (from 5200 to 6k) was put under the standard table and not the performance shift table. I'm sending the PCM back for re-program tonight. After I get it back, then I can have CASE learn done.
99SSEI is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
ZZ Performance PCM vs INTENSE PCM Hans Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning 18 09-05-2007 09:44 PM
removing factory PCM and installing intense PCM question 350TPI 2000-2005 23 07-20-2007 02:07 PM
Ordering PCM from Intense which Stage should I get? blackssei 2000-2005 10 10-04-2004 12:18 AM
Intense pcm on the way!! PontiacDad Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning 9 05-18-2004 05:06 PM
INTENSE PCM Installed (UPDATE) Rogue Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning 26 04-15-2004 09:19 AM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:55 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.