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Old 07-22-2004, 02:19 AM   #31
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Compare 8-ball to an earlier SSEi, not an SE or SLE. With the same age of suspension. A straight up and balanced comparison.

Even the two 2000'* were different because Pdad has alot of miles (100,000+) on his suspension. His endlinks need to be replaced, but after that, the two 2k'* will probably handle equally.

Nevertheless, the 93SSEi is obvious in comparison.
i thought you put in bigger swaybars?
Stock sway bars front and rear. New endlink kits only, with polyurethane bushings. Rear swaybar will go bigger eventually.
must have been the drugs talkin
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I did talk about it a bit awhile ago.

Another thought hit me last night too. Pdad, Bullet, John, and I spent alot of time talking about endlinks while we were discussing the handling comparisons between the cars. I'm convinced Pdad'* links on his 2000 are shot (at over 100k miles), explaining the difference in the two 2000'*. When I did my links, I noticed alot less weight transfer, much firmer launches. This may benefit Pdad'* 60' times.

The endlinks changed in 1997, and any new kit you buy is the new design. I feel they're inferior, as they use a plastic spacer in place of the old steel design. The plastic has some give to it, and wears out quicker, inducing slop, and accellerating the wear (or decreasing the lifetime) of the bushings.

My gut (backed up by carefully watching the endlink work by over a dozen members in the last 6 months) is that any car 1995 or older, or with 100,000 miles, should seriously consider replacing their endlinks front and rear ($50 will do all 4 corners) as many of us have done. driverjohn will be doing his very soon. We diagnosed that as his problem before even verifying it up on the hoist on Tech-day of WCBF. Great experience for all of us, especially since we had 2 gearheads with us

Consider worn links or bad bushings on a 2000. Front and rear.....this can affect weight transfer and 60' times, but how much would be difficult to determine. Handling in curves and bumps is dramatically improved, though.
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how hard are they to change? Do you need to get an alignment afterwards?
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Cutting the old links with a reciprocating saw (careful not to tear the CV boots) is probably best, but I muscled mine off the traditional way. No alignment necessary, do the job with weight on wheels. On ramps, not jacked.


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Read the whole thread. Procedures, part numbers, and costs are all there. Autozone is now your best friend.
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which car launched hardest(on the street)?
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My car with warm/hot tires launched best on the street, too, but the 2000'* run me down after a bit I can beat both Bone-Evil and the Bullet through the intersection. Of course, that'* assuming we DID this on the street.
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My car with warm/hot tires launched best on the street, too, but the 2000'* run me down after a bit I can beat both Bone-Evil and the Bullet through the intersection. Of course, that'* assuming we DID this on the street.
so it pretty much boils down to this: the S1 L67 make more of their power at a lower RPM than the S2, but the S2 has a better high end.

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My car with warm/hot tires launched best on the street, too, but the 2000'* run me down after a bit I can beat both Bone-Evil and the Bullet through the intersection. Of course, that'* assuming we DID this on the street.
so it pretty much boils down to this: the S1 L67 make more of their power at a lower RPM than the S2, but the S2 has a better high end.

autozone has always been my best friend...We have a brand new Advance Auto Parts that is even better.
The S1 (at least the 92-95 SSEi) also has the advantage of better weight distribution and lower overall curb weight then the 2000+. Combined with the tq and hp being delivered lower down in the rpm range, you have a very launchable car in comparison. Keep in mind that Greenzilla is pretty well modded in order to accomplish this. Far from stock. driverjohn for instance, can't beat the 60' times of the two 2000'* that were here with a K&N and Flowmaster exhaust. He needs at least a pulley and better intake to get there.
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