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Old 03-19-2007, 05:19 PM   #1
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Just bought car and I want to give it a tune up.

I want to change Plugs
Wires
Air Filter
*/C pully

Has anyone tryed the FUSION plugs from BOSCH?

Anyone have suggestions on Wires? are stock ok or what is suggested?

AIR FILTER>>>>>>seems like no one out there offers a bolt on kit for this car?

PULLY>>>>>>>>>>What size should I do for a stock motor?

All i want is a little more kick! Also when I change that pully will my */C kick on more often then it already does?

Pics of car coming soon!
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go to INTENSE-Racing.com for the FWI intake system, its only $170 or so and comes with a K&N cone filter.

DO NOT GET BOSCH ANYTHING, WE HAVE HAD TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE WITH THEM. DO NOT GET BOSCH ANYTHING. I'm not sure if anyone has tried the fusion series but please just get a 1 heatrange colder copper plug like the TR55s or equivilant

Wires: go Belden (from napa) or go home. Several others are ok, but the beldens hold up great and have a lifetime warranty.

Pully - I run a 3.4" on my 98 SSEi with 0* of Knock, this is hard to achieve unless you have replaced EVERYTHING tuneup wise AND have a scantool, I run the aeroforce in my dash (2" scantool that does everything) in place of where the front cig lighter was. Read my thread in DETAILING about engine bay cleaning and that lists everything I have replaced as far as Pre-mod steps.

You have a 3.8" pulley right now, without a FWI, I would not go below a 3.6" pulley. Gutted airbox you may be able to go smaller but I do not have experience with that.

I'd reccomend the following sites for parts on your car:

http://INTENSE-Racing.com
http://ZZPerformance.com

I have done business with both and was 100% satisfied, INTENSE has more parts that are suited towards bonnies, check out the LEVEL 1 kit for your car...Just over $400 and comes with everything you need.

Let me say it again. Before you think about a smaller pulley, make sure you do a complete tuneup (everything) as well as either purchase or borrow a scantool capable of scanning for knock retard or KR for short KR has the potential to do serious damage to your motor if you are not careful, however with the proper supporting mods you can get away with a 3.4" pulley with 1* to 2* of KR max at 75* F. keep in mind there are members in the Northeast part of the country with either laptop based scantools or handhelds...I think there are anyway.

Finally check out my thread on my 98 SSEi here, in Performance and Brainstorming:

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...ic.php?t=73357

Lets keep in mind I did display my opinons in this post, some members may disagree with the fine points but hey its a forum right? I may be impartial toward certain brands but please do not get bosch, personally I have had a lot of problems with them on 2 different cars.
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To put it bluntly... let'* not listen to everything Hans said. (See caveat below)

First..I'd like to extent an offer that we get together one of these weekends and you can see/check out some of the solutions/parts we've found that work. Two cars in the NE that are running and reasonably close to you. Black94SSEi and myself.

Although I'm a little ahead of Tony. He'* probably closer though.

Maintenance items...
Plugs: Delco/NGK TR55 (copper)/Autolites have all been found to be good replacements. Iridiums if you don't plan on modding much (although mentioning a pulley..you'll want copper). Bosch plugs are not good in a waste spark environment, which our cars operate on, therefore failure happens rather quickly on Bosch plugs.

Wires: Napa Beldens/Autolite Professionals/AC Delco'* are all had for about the same price and all lifetime warranty. There is no go this wire or go home theory here. Personally.. I'm extremely happy with AC Delco'* (from Advance ~$40)

Air filter: you can easily gut the airbox (free) and toss in a K&N panel filter (direct replacement), or FWI from Intense, or a rice pipe (literally search "rice pipe") My suggestions would be biased by how far you'd like to go. Probably suggest gutted airbox with panel K&N.

SC Pulley.. Let'* talk.. The second you say pulley it aims you to copper based plugs (found to throw a better spark) and changes the gap on the plugs. Press on vs Multi Pulley System if you think you'll ever change sized etc. There are a bunch of factors and air intake comes into play so therefore now we are talking air filter also. 3.5" is almost a no worry situation, although we'd still want to scan and check your fuel pressure.

Fusion plugs from Bosch.. remembering above..we should skip Bosch plugs.

As for the amount of kick... it'* all relative.. I wanted a little more and now I'm so far over the cliff it'* amazing...I think I can fly.


Caveat: Being a gearhead on this forum for nearly 2 years, I do not feel comfortable with everything Hans posted or the manner in which he stated much of it. Because......KR is not something that we can say.. you can run X-X degrees w/o any problem at any temperature. Unfortunately Hans is not familiar with our NE summers, humidity levels etc. Many things factor into what each individual car can and can't run. A 3.5" pulley has been found to run great on 99% of the cars out there. There are reasonably stock cars here that can run a 3.4 and possibly 3.3 pulley with minor mods.
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I forgot to mention fuel pressure, this needs to be tested as well.

My other advice still stands regarding a scantool. I made the mistake on my first car and just thru a pulley on to it. This is not the way to go.

As far as sizes with pulleys go heat has a HUGE amount to do with it. I run 0* of KR right now but when it hits 110* like it can out here I'm sure I will be running more KR...I dont know how much yet but keep this in mind.

Boosty is correct about humidity, where I am at it is very low humidity. I have no idea what humidity will do regarding the size of pulley you can safely run, talk to someone that lives in the midwest or eastern part of the country to get more advice.

A 3.5 would be safe in most cases, 3.4 and beyond are going to depend 100% on the car. This is why an MPS would be a great idea vs a press-on pulley. You can change it out in 5 minutes if you have any KR issues. My fuel filter was clogged (likely original at 173K) and that actually helped out about 2*. It was so clogged i could barely blow thru it...but again this points back toward the "full tuneup before mods" point I made.
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Ok....Well I defently am going to purchase Copper plugs tomorrow! as for wires...Delcos seem like they will be fine for what I need. but as for the gutted airbox....How? pictures? I want & need to know more. Also... I have a Fram AirHog air filter in there now(brand new) is that just as good as K&N for the Gutted air box mod?

As for pully! sounde like 3.5 will be in my future!

Thanks for the quick responce.. this group is great!


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To put it bluntly... let'* not listen to everything Hans said. (See caveat below)

First..I'd like to extent an offer that we get together one of these weekends and you can see/check out some of the solutions/parts we've found that work. Two cars in the NE that are running and reasonably close to you. Black94SSEi and myself.

Although I'm a little ahead of Tony. He'* probably closer though.

Maintenance items...
Plugs: Delco/NGK TR55 (copper)/Autolites have all been found to be good replacements. Iridiums if you don't plan on modding much (although mentioning a pulley..you'll want copper). Bosch plugs are not good in a waste spark environment, which our cars operate on, therefore failure happens rather quickly on Bosch plugs.

Wires: Napa Beldens/Autolite Professionals/AC Delco'* are all had for about the same price and all lifetime warranty. There is no go this wire or go home theory here. Personally.. I'm extremely happy with AC Delco'* (from Advance ~$40)

Air filter: you can easily gut the airbox (free) and toss in a K&N panel filter (direct replacement), or FWI from Intense, or a rice pipe (literally search "rice pipe") My suggestions would be biased by how far you'd like to go. Probably suggest gutted airbox with panel K&N.

SC Pulley.. Let'* talk.. The second you say pulley it aims you to copper based plugs (found to throw a better spark) and changes the gap on the plugs. Press on vs Multi Pulley System if you think you'll ever change sized etc. There are a bunch of factors and air intake comes into play so therefore now we are talking air filter also. 3.5" is almost a no worry situation, although we'd still want to scan and check your fuel pressure.

Fusion plugs from Bosch.. remembering above..we should skip Bosch plugs.

As for the amount of kick... it'* all relative.. I wanted a little more and now I'm so far over the cliff it'* amazing...I think I can fly.


Caveat: Being a gearhead on this forum for nearly 2 years, I do not feel comfortable with everything Hans posted or the manner in which he stated much of it. Because......KR is not something that we can say.. you can run X-X degrees w/o any problem at any temperature. Unfortunately Hans is not familiar with our NE summers, humidity levels etc. Many things factor into what each individual car can and can't run. A 3.5" pulley has been found to run great on 99% of the cars out there. There are reasonably stock cars here that can run a 3.4 and possibly 3.3 pulley with minor mods.
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The gutted airbox is farily easy. Search on it (until Lash finds the link) and you should be able to find pics. Bascially..take out the airbox.. remove the baffle in the front portion of it and then cut the front end of it to the full rectangle instead of the oval that currently is the opening. The air hog should be fine. We have a few members using them.

As for the pulley. Soon my pulley puller will arrive back in the States. LMK and we'll get together. The pulley requires a specialized puller to remove, all attempts to remove them with anything else has resulted in damage.
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