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Old 04-18-2008, 02:36 PM   #11
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it WILL become a new World War
You know, normally I don't believe prophecies and conspiracies and stuff like that ,but.. the mayan calendar coming to an end in december of 2012 has been on my mind, thinking of "What if we get into a world war?" things have been predicted way before they've happened..what if.. (read what i'm saying, you'll catch what is on my mind about this.)

i have to go finish cooking my lunch and i'll watch this video and give my input on what i think is up.
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I 100% agree with Newt. However I also have my beliefs that this all began due to American foriegn policy post Second World War and the need for a Military Industrial Complex. I'm going to stop there.

Its unfortunate that lives are lost over fictitious religions. We are a terribly primitive species.
Just an observation, no need to flame. How many countries have we conquered and taken over since WW2? We defeat evil threats, then build the countries back up and hand them over. I don't recall any one of them "paying us back" , so to speak. We arent in Iraq to take the oil, we could do that in a week. The silence from "moderate" muslims on the unspeakable acts done in the name of Islam speaks volumes. They seek to conquer and control, we don't.
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Building American military bases in Saudi Arabia, the home of Muslim religion despite warnings from radical Muslims should have been a warning sign. Continual activity and US backing of Israel is the root cause of Muslim unrest and gives radical clerics and impressionable youth a platform to spew anti-American rhetoric.

Regardless of that, after the attacks in New York, Washington and the downing of 93, the US had the world on its side, finally. And what happened, it followed with an invasion of a soveriegn nation (regardless of who ran it...don't tell me Saddam was the worst, I think African tyrants are worse then Saddam...but whatever). A pre-emptive war was started based on lies and false information turned the world back against the United States.

I personally think the US is in more danger today, then it has ever been.
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Great speech, and I agree 110%..
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Gonneville, I have no douots China will side with the oil; they need it too badly and I dount we could win a war with them (and their allies) as an enemy.
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I don't agree with most decisions over the last 7 years or so, some good ones, some not, but a majority of them aren't working out.

However I'm not a fan of our current position. If we do something, we're the bad guys taking over, if we don't do anything, we're bad guys because, well, we're not helping out.

I've been thinking, lets see what happens after the new crew gets onto office in '09, i'm sure our deployments, focus'*, etc will shift, especially if dems win the election.
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What I find most frightening is the loss of civil liberties that is already occurring yet, we are no safer.
Also what he said about what will happen the day after another attack, I hadn't thought about the immediate suspension of civil liberties and stuff, interesting thought.
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Liberties like the freedom to drive whenever and where ever we want.

Curfews......Fuel tokens........food rations..........confiscation of all weapons.......
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this country has become too focussed on making money. and yet we loosing the worth? we have become weak

and why are we rebuilding countries after we destroyed it. that has to be the dumbest thing iv ever heard. to me that only shows weekness and stupidity.

we now are more militarily advanced then ever. but the problem is the ability to use it. as in we are afraid of the outcome by using it.

religion and politics had been the cause of 99% of all wars. you can not brain wash a country to believe what we believe when they them selves have been brain washed for years apon years. this is why i believe in neither.
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we are weak as a nation because we were designed to be weak as a nation. to do anything major, the public must support it and there are too many ignorant people to rely on that. too many people dont care and are concerned about starting arguments. the only times we have been strong as a nation have been when the government stepped up and restricted our liberties -- WWI and WWII come to mind. only when we are willing to give up those liberties do we become a world power in the truest sense of the word.

but should we even care about that? arent we more concerned with the almighty dollar than the united states of america? and why shouldnt we be concerned more about being able to grab a mcchicken and a pizza when we want to than how the world feels about us? no ones going to invade us. our neighboring nations are Canada and Mexico -- i dont see either of them invading us any time soon.

we are weak as a nation because we are weak as a people. no one is willing to do or say anything definitive because theyre concerned about how they will look to the scared sheep, or because they dont want to "start an argument".

i maintain that every decision that has been made in the last 110 years has made sense at the time and was the most logical course of action at the time. but time gives perspective, too. i cant fault bush for iraq for than i can fault wilson for WWI (actually, i can fault wilson a hell of a lot more) -- but both needed to be done. i just hope that were in a position AS A PEOPLE to deal with the consequences instead of pointing fingers.


oh, and as for religion and politics being the cause for 99% of the wars in history (source?), what other reason could possibly make any sense? why else do people gather together, than for religion or politics? better yet, arent both of those unavoidable outcroppings of gatherings of humanity? only gatherings of humanity can wage a war. more to the point, i disagree. i think people in groups are the main cause of wars (and a lot of other things, like technological advance and "comfortable living"). anywhere you have people in groups you have a potential for war -- and politics, and religion. the latter two provide great justification for the former, which is why religion and politics get blamed. but they arent the reason. the reason is that we, as people, are incapable of trusting our neighbors. we are incapable of being "human" to others.
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