I've always been a fan of turbos. I really don't know much about this one though. Here is what I know: 91, red, 2-door, fully loaded, gold rims, sunroof, hud, steering wheel controls, etc. Paint'* rough, interior rougher, could use a good tune. Could this one be a McLaren?? For 500.00 too.

Is it for sale online or local or what? If its not local, do you have the ad? Or is it your car you are trying to sell? Your post is not very clear.

Also, if it is a true McLaren it would have to be an '89 or '90. 1990 was the last year for the Turbo'*. However, if it is a factory turbo, it is a McLaren, all of the turbo'* are McLaren'* because thats the company that put the turbo'* on. So, if it has a factory Turbo, its not a '91.

Also all of them are basically "fully loaded." The only 3 options were CD Player, Leather, and Moonroof. They were only available in Black or Red, and only with a Tan or Gray interior.

Shawn

Yeah, sorry bout being unclear. I found it for sale here in Daytona. I thought it was a 91, but I think I am going to run by there again tomorrow and grab the VIN. It has leather (worn badly) and the sunroof, but no cd player.

Its tempting, but I want to see if there is any "collectivity" value to this car.

Right now they aren't a big collectors item, but they likely will be in 10 years or so. The leather is usually pretty worn, thats not suprising at all. It is probably a good thing that it doesn't have a factory CD player though. There are very few of them that still work. Both our TGP'* came with Cassette, and I put one of the few working factory CD players in it, but even a working one won't play any burned CD'* or anything like that. But it sounds damn good. Unfortunately, they are high maintenance cars though. The brakes are expensive to maintain/fix, and usually are problematic. With the stock chip, they have horrible driveability issues and stall a lot, but that can be fixed with a different chip. Also, make sure the tranny shifts smoothly, because replacing the transmission (since it is special for the turbo car), costs close to $2k.

They are cool cars to have because you don't see them around, but you have to be prepaired to maintain them. If you go to www.netavalanche.com/tgp they should be able to answer all of your questions there, although that forum doesn't have a lot of members that frequent it, so it might take a day or two to get an answer over there. Also www.w-body.com/forum in the Turbo Grand Prix section of the forum.

HTH.

Shawn

i heard they are very unreilable

I had a 90 TGP. If you have the time and money to put the necessary mods into them, they can be great cars. Extremely fast!!!! That car scared me sometimes it had such balls!

Worse come to worse its $500. Buy it - beat the hell out of it and then part it, tax write off, winter ride/beater, whatever. My friends do that all the time. Find a $50-$1000 truck/car then just rag on it left and right, offroad it, jump it, using it as there beater for the winter and then donate them for a tax write off once they stop running or find something better and the are actually making money off of doing this.

Its kind of a hit and miss. We've had to put about $30 in unexpected maintenance (basically not including like oil changes and brake pads and all that, and we did some other things that weren't normal maintenance but they didn't need to be done so I'm not gonna include those) since he bought it about 2 years ago. Well, and the sunroof broke and flew out of the car, but that was $100 to fix and isn't a common problem at all. It has around 130k on it, and we got it with right at 100k on it. My STE on the other hand, I bought in December of '03 for $1800 and have put $3300 into it since then, but about $1300 was mods, so about $2k into repairs in less than a year (haven't driven it since October). So you never do know. My STE is fast, but it doesn't seem worth it to me.

And I know Chris had a pretty penny into her Purple TGP as well. For a while there that car was a huge money pit IIRC. They are fun cars, but you better be prepared to drop a lot of coin on it if something goes wrong.

Well, I don't know that it would be very scary. Mine is more modded than yours was and it has yet to scare me. Just the setup of it all, being a FWD Automatic, its difficult for it to really be scary. But, I will admit they are pretty quick, and suprise a lot of unsuspecting people.

You could just buy it and drive it as a beater, but it really NEEDS a chip to run decent, with the stock chip they stall a lot and get pretty bad gas mileage, gas is not cheap since they average about 20mpg and need Premium. You better hope it has good tires, because to replace them with the correct size will run you at least $300 for 4 new tires, no matter what kind you get. 50 series tires are never cheap. Also, the brake accumulators go bad often and run about $200 from the dealer. You can go without it, but your anti-lock light will be on, it won't stop too great, and it is horrible on the master cylinder, which is like $2200 for a rebuilt unit. The rear brake calipers are known to go bad, and are about $70 each for replacement. (check the rear rotors and make sure they have recent wear on them to show they are working) Also check the emergency brake because it is a common problem for those to go out. Radiators are about $800 for a new one, so make sure the radiator is good, even a recore will run you at least $200 or so (mine was $250), and radiators are a common problem in these. Also make sure it doesn't blow blue smoke or just straight oil out the back, because that is a sign that the turbo is going bad, and those aren't cheap to fix either. (usually $300+ for a rebuild) There are a lot of common problems with these cars that are expensive to fix, but if you can get away without having to fix any of those things, you can have a nice cheap car. Just letting you know some common problems so you can look out for these things when looking at the car.

Shawn

So.......still wanna buy it lol......That'* quite a **** list if you ask me....

Me thinks I'll pass on it. This being my final semester and all, more than likely I will move out of Daytona after I graduate. And as I have learned from past experiences, the less you have to move, the better...and cheaper. Besides, my Bonnie is still running like a new one, so why bother? It was just a wild idea I had...thanks to all who gave their input!