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Old 10-19-2007, 04:23 PM   #1
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...don't forget that, as many of us point out regularly, there will always be a certain number of problems with any given manufacturer'* vehicles. Just because yours has issues does not, or at least should not, brand the manufacturer across the board.

To reinforce my point, please take a look at these two articles documenting Toyota'* current woes regarding recalls:

This one happened over a year ago, but is worthy of comment due to the nature. A brief quote:
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The recall affects about 986,000 vehicles across 10 models, including its popular Prius hybrid car. More than half of the affected vehicles are in Japan, company officials said.

The intermediate shafts and sliding yokes in the recalled cars lack the necessary strength and could distort or crack under strong pressure, causing drivers to lose control of the steering wheel, the Japanese automaker said in a statement.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13046349/

Sound familiar?

This is from yesterday:
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Toyota has recalled 470,000 vehicles in Japan. Although none were exported, the news comes on the heels of Consumer Reports bumping the automaker from its top reliability spot just yesterday. The recall is due to engine, steering and motor problems and covers several models. Toyota is aiming to sell 10.4 million vehicles next year, but it appears that its ambitious goal could come at the cost of reliable automobiles.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-r...-in-japan.html

Food for thought.
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i had toyotas, chrysler, honda and fords, ive liked gm sence the begining and will never change imports are cheap inside and out.
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Toyota is aiming to sell 10.4 million vehicles next year, but it appears that its ambitious goal could come at the cost of reliable automobiles.
Could it be the ratio is the same, but higher numbers of cars in the market = higher number of problems?
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Consumer reports just knocked three models off the preferred list:

4x4 v8 tundra for transmission issues
camry 6 speed transmission
lexus awd version

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...mer&id=5710685
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In all honesty, this is probably just growing pains. It would be hard to have such a perfect record with the amount of expansion they are going through. Compare their size in the US 20 years ago to their size now, with the size of GM in the US 20 years ago and it'* size now. I'm sure that could help explain the problems they're having now. (Just my opinion).
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If I were a betting man, I know who I'd be placing my money on... still Toyota.
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i dont get it....... let me get this straight.. Toyota has 2 recalls? how is this relevant to anything
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Imports are cheap inside and out? Yes, Japanese cars are known more for their cost levels than most cars.. Most german cars are if anything overbuilt due to the autobahn, etc.. Japanese cars are built to do what they need to do though, and don't make things overly complicated for the most part. Taking apart a Jap interior is generally worlds easier then a GM one..

Anyone with a reasonably unbiased mind in the auto industry knows that toyota is one of the top quality focused companies out there. As "normal" as our 4 cyl camry is, it'* built amazingly well.

I also don't give most consumer magazines a glance at when it comes to cars either.

This is a recal, they're fixing the problem, something a certain make didn't do with their ticking time bomb UIM'*...
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...dont forget the oil sludge problems they've been having. Not recent ether, and they have been stonewalling their customers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_sludge

From what I read, they STILL have problems.
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This is a recal, they're fixing the problem, something a certain make didn't do with their ticking time bomb UIM'*...
I don't understand, who are you talking about? Is it that same company that uses Dex-Cool, the terrible, corrosive, gelatinous coolant?
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