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Old 12-09-2005, 08:32 AM   #21
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CT is similar. Seatbelt is a secondary ticket and helmets are not required. Probably because they figure shoveliling happens almost automatically.
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Old 12-09-2005, 10:26 AM   #22
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If I remember right from school, MN cops can only tag if they pull over for moving violations, no equipment. Its a secondary violation, or has it changed in the past year?
Most likely, yes. Many states are changing. I think MI has changed within the last year/year and a half.

Yeah, sure, we are all adult here. You should be able to choose. Only problem is you are sharing the road with hundreds of other people. I would prefer to not share it with people who are not wearing theirs. It has been proven time and time again, seat belts save lives. Many people are not capable of thinking like this, so I will probably be attacked for saying this...but....

If you get in an accident, and kill someone, no matter what you say you will feel bad about it. And that is even if it isn't your fault. If it is, you will feel even worse. Why should it be on my conscience that I killed somone? There is NO good reason for not wearing...
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If I remember right from school, MN cops can only tag if they pull over for moving violations, no equipment. Its a secondary violation, or has it changed in the past year?
It'* changed. Don't remember when, but it was recently. It'* a stand alone offense now.

I'm kinda on the fence as far as adults wearing their belts. It'* your life, and not my job to worry about it anymore. But if you're to lazy/cool/whatever to wear a belt, what else are you neglecting that could potentially affect me?

Now, if you really wanna **** me off, though, don't buckle in your kids. You may think a trip through the windshield is fun and all, but why take your kids with you? They are young enough not to know why they are safer buckled up, and small enough to fit through all the nooks and cranny'* that will kill them in an accident.
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I sympathize with your particular situation NiKo. Bad timing in extremis.

Ohio just went from secondary to primary violation seat-belt laws, and I love it.
Personally I have no problem with people not wearing their belts, BUT I think a law should be passed that alleviates ALL liability for bodily injury to someone not wearing a seatbelt. That means that the driver doesn't pay, regardless of whether he'* at fault, nor does the insurance company, or the state, and the one not wearing the seatbelt automatically gives up any right to litigate for bodily harm damages.
Damage to the vehicles should still be handled in the regualr way though.
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In 02 Michigan went to seat-belts being a primary moving violation. Altho before they could pull you over for it, only now youll see that enforcement and dedicated "belt-traps" set up.
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