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Old 06-22-2007, 05:38 AM   #11
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I'm sorry, but I have to oppose ALL crush laws, VEHEMENTLY. Many states enacted crush laws for DUIs awhile back, and almost all have been fought by enthusiasts and historical vehicles groups. They were crushing cars that had historical value, even including some that were rare or one of a kind. The monetary value of some cars alone makes crush laws absurd. The cars could be auctioned, and the proceeds put directly into funding the local police departments.
Police departments have no concept of which of these cars might be valuable, and they aren't given the legal right to set out which cars are too valuable, or rare, or historically significant to be crushed. So, they shouldn't be allowed to crush ANY.
Confiscate them, move them to public auctions in a different city, then auction them.
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^^^^Word.... And the fact that people are saying "ricers" deserve it is just ignorant, and rude. What if that was your car? What if you spent a few thousand on customizing it, ended up with stolen parts in your car that you didn't know about, and got your pride and joy crushed? It could happen, we all do buy parts from other members from time to time. Seriously, just because the car is an Import doesn't justify crushing it. Especially when there'* money to be had at auctions as was mentioned.
The message that I got was that street racing is very dangerous and kills people. This is what I understand the issue to focused around. Confiscating property doesn't seem to be a big enough deterrent.

I fully support crushing cars taken from drunk drivers. Impaired driving is wrong, everybody knows it but it still happens. Check stops, education and other penalties haven't had the effect society needs to prevent these needless deaths. I also think it should be mandatory for the driver to watch, not just optional. I can appreciate some of these vehicles having significant value but if this is effective, I have to say go for it. Perhaps people will think twice before risking something of such value. Maybe where historical value is concerned, others will apply enough peer pressure to have an effect (friends don't let friends drink and drive). When are we finally going to get serious about eliminating such flagrant and irresponsible behaviour? I can pretty much guarantee that anyone surviving the loss of a loved one or friend to such an event isn't really concerned about the dispostion of the offending vehicle. Aren't these the people who have suffered the real loss?
I semi-agree with u on the drunk driving part, The only thing I'd change is seize the car and go auction it off, not crush it.

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I'm sorry, but I have to oppose ALL crush laws, VEHEMENTLY. Many states enacted crush laws for DUIs awhile back, and almost all have been fought by enthusiasts and historical vehicles groups. They were crushing cars that had historical value, even including some that were rare or one of a kind. The monetary value of some cars alone makes crush laws absurd. The cars could be auctioned, and the proceeds put directly into funding the local police departments.
Police departments have no concept of which of these cars might be valuable, and they aren't given the legal right to set out which cars are too valuable, or rare, or historically significant to be crushed. So, they shouldn't be allowed to crush ANY.
Confiscate them, move them to public auctions in a different city, then auction them.


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^^^^Word.... And the fact that people are saying "ricers" deserve it is just ignorant, and rude. What if that was your car? What if you spent a few thousand on customizing it, ended up with stolen parts in your car that you didn't know about, and got your pride and joy crushed? It could happen, we all do buy parts from other members from time to time. Seriously, just because the car is an Import doesn't justify crushing it. Especially when there'* money to be had at auctions as was mentioned.

I agree with you guys %100

I did also have an uncle die from a drinking and driving accident, which is why I will never do it.

as far as the people not caring about whether or not the car gets crushed, they need to remember that it was not the car at fault, but the driver.
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Though the cars being crushed were nasty, crushing good (disregarding the rice part) cars is a waste.
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I think a symbolic crushing to send a message is ok. As much as I like seeing a POS get crushed and some ricer having to deal with that, I think 5 year licence suspensions at criminal charges would be a better way to deal with it.

The Province of Ontario has introduced these sorts of laws, of course, its not working...so, whatta ya gonna do?
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The problem with just auctioning them off is they buy it back, or have a buddy do it.

Yeah, the car didn't kill anyone, but the driver did. But, we're not allowed to execute the driver. So, we execute his car. If it happens to be a valuble one, too bad. Blame the driver, not the law. No car, however valuble, is equivelant in value to human life or limb.
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Hmmmm...never heard of this before . Not really sure how I feel about this. I think everyone here has good points.
Obviously, it'* not the car'* fault. And, obviously, you can't place the value of the car over the value fo the person who lost their life. (Actually, you can place a value on a human life, from a legal standpoint, they do it all time in wrongul death lawsuits).
But, to me, it seems kinda silly to crush a perfectly good car (of course, opnions will vary there), but I understand the theory behind it. It just seems to me the driver is the problem, not the car.
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I agree with Brian, DO NOT CRUSH THE CARS.

Think about this...you have a means of confiscating valuable vehicles to deter crime. This I think we all agree is a good thing. Keep your nose clean and you are in no danger. Get in trouble, you pay the price by losing the car. So what to do with the car? It has value. Crushing it is like taking thousands of dollars (cash) and just burning it. Once destroyed, the value is lost. Auctions may not work because somebody can buy it back for the offending party. That doesn't work either. So why not use the cars in local government? Don't your local municipalities and commonwealths pay for leases of expensive vehicles?

Solve the problem of wasteful spending in government by using these confiscated cars by government officials. Mayors, senators, congressmen, councilmen, etc. Even give the local cops some to use. Now we spend less $ on cars for officials, we punish the offender, and unless stolen again, we ensure the offender doesn't get the car back.

I'd love to see some public officials here told, "Here'* your new vehicle, a lime green civic with ground effects, dubs and a bitchin stereo." MUHAHAHAHAHA :P

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I'm sorry, but I have to oppose ALL crush laws, VEHEMENTLY. Many states enacted crush laws for DUIs awhile back, and almost all have been fought by enthusiasts and historical vehicles groups. They were crushing cars that had historical value, even including some that were rare or one of a kind. The monetary value of some cars alone makes crush laws absurd. The cars could be auctioned, and the proceeds put directly into funding the local police departments.
Police departments have no concept of which of these cars might be valuable, and they aren't given the legal right to set out which cars are too valuable, or rare, or historically significant to be crushed. So, they shouldn't be allowed to crush ANY.
Confiscate them, move them to public auctions in a different city, then auction them.
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^^^^Word.... And the fact that people are saying "ricers" deserve it is just ignorant, and rude. What if that was your car? What if you spent a few thousand on customizing it, ended up with stolen parts in your car that you didn't know about, and got your pride and joy crushed? It could happen, we all do buy parts from other members from time to time. Seriously, just because the car is an Import doesn't justify crushing it. Especially when there'* money to be had at auctions as was mentioned.
The message that I got was that street racing is very dangerous and kills people. This is what I understand the issue to focused around. Confiscating property doesn't seem to be a big enough deterrent.

I fully support crushing cars taken from drunk drivers. Impaired driving is wrong, everybody knows it but it still happens. Check stops, education and other penalties haven't had the effect society needs to prevent these needless deaths. I also think it should be mandatory for the driver to watch, not just optional. I can appreciate some of these vehicles having significant value but if this is effective, I have to say go for it. Perhaps people will think twice before risking something of such value. Maybe where historical value is concerned, others will apply enough peer pressure to have an effect (friends don't let friends drink and drive). When are we finally going to get serious about eliminating such flagrant and irresponsible behaviour? I can pretty much guarantee that anyone surviving the loss of a loved one or friend to such an event isn't really concerned about the dispostion of the offending vehicle. Aren't these the people who have suffered the real loss?
Please let me know how dangerous street racing really is, because in reality, it isn't.
In 2001, there were around 150 deaths due to street racing, right around the time of the release of you know what, the F&F. Guess how many were from drunk drivers?
Here'* what I mean...



A far better comparison:



That'* with the Street Racing deaths numbers pumped way up, just in case it'* gone up since 2001 (I would assume so - people blame the spike in Street Racing deaths between 2000 and 2001 on the F&F release). Anyways, drunk drivers kill about 16,000 people a year - about 39% of all traffic deaths and they get how many strikes before anything serious happens to them? They never get their cars smashed at all.

I'm not condoning street racing, or even condemning the practice of smashing street racer'* cars, but I think it'* plainly obvious that our punishments are inconsistent with the effect the crime has on society. This is just my opinion, but I think we would save more lives and be more effective if the punishments were exactly reversed. Get caught drunk driving, we smash your car - first offense. Get caught racing, go to court, pay a big fine, a street racer plate would be seen as a badge of honor, but what if you forced them to have a street racer plate, and that meant they had to have steelies and a winter tire...you get the idea.
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Only in America would we destroy something that is perfectly fine to make a point.
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