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Old 07-31-2005, 02:23 AM   #21
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You are somewhat correct... It says Twin Cam 2.3 or 2.4....

But regaurdless its still a Quad 4... The Quad 4 started out as a DOHC 2.3, later they developed a SOHC version... I believe that 93 may have been the last year for the SOHC Quad 4... There have been too many changes to count between blocks, rods and the like... But they are still Oldsmobile Quad 4 Engines

And so far from what I have seen the 2.2 echotec is very reliable...
no, you are somewhat correct


the 2.4L twin cam is not plagued with problems like the much older quad 4 that hasn't been used in a while. the 2.4 gets a bad name because of the quad 4, and i just wanted to set it strait that its not a version of the "dreaded quad 4"


and the 2.2 guys on aleromod.com are getting much better numbers than the 2.4L guys
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My wife has an '02 (I think - possibly '01) Alero for her company car. Just over 60k miles now. It'* a quad4. The engine/trans mechanically has been great. The front calipers (yes CALIPERS) have been replaced 3x Left & 2x Right because the pistons have froze up. She goes through brake pads/rotors about every other oil change (or every 8-10k miles). The rear pads/rotors have had to been changed twice (unheard of) and a rear caliper has also had to be replaced. The PCM has been replaced twice. The blower motor resistor block has been replaced 4 times. A lot of the trim on the interior is warped from who knows what. Also, both front wheel bearings have been replaced 2x left and 3x right. All this in alittle over 60k miles from new.

Now, before you go saying that the brakes have had to be replaced because my wife drives like a maniac, she doesn't. Most of the time she coasts up to stop signs with little braking and the car isn't driven in stop and go driving at all because we live out in the country.

I wouldn't take an Alero if someone were to give it to me with free oil changes for life. Way too expensive to maintain.
Those are the exact same things I read while I was looking at getting an Alero a few months ago. The interior trim you talk about is also true. I even read that the top of the dashboard can wrinkle after a couple years. I guess the brakes were too weak for the weight of the car...I believe there was a recall for that (my brother-in-law has a GA GT and had huge brake problems as well). Overall, I wouldn't buy an Alero after reading some horror stories either. I test drove one (3400) and it was a very good looking car, black, 4 door GLS, loaded to the max, leather, chrome rims, etc... but I didn't do much research until after I test drove it, and once I read reviews I got my deposit refunded.
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You are somewhat correct... It says Twin Cam 2.3 or 2.4....

But regaurdless its still a Quad 4... The Quad 4 started out as a DOHC 2.3, later they developed a SOHC version... I believe that 93 may have been the last year for the SOHC Quad 4... There have been too many changes to count between blocks, rods and the like... But they are still Oldsmobile Quad 4 Engines

And so far from what I have seen the 2.2 echotec is very reliable...
no, you are somewhat correct


the 2.4L twin cam is not plagued with problems like the much older quad 4 that hasn't been used in a while. the 2.4 gets a bad name because of the quad 4, and i just wanted to set it strait that its not a version of the "dreaded quad 4"


and the 2.2 guys on aleromod.com are getting much better numbers than the 2.4L guys
Yes I understand that... Things improve with time...

I will however say that I have seen soo many 2.3 DOHC Quad 4'* go way beyond 200,000 miles... But most of them were in need of a head gasket by 100,000 - 120,000 miles or so... I have always felt that it was a good motor, but a PITA to work on...

A friend of mine has a 2.4 Twin cam.... I was impressed with it when I first drove it... He is having some electronic issues, PCM is bad I think, and his mechanic feels the same...

Never uses a drop of oil, nor has the oil ever been dark... Always goes in looking good, and comes out looking good...

Yes it did have some problems, and in later years a lot of those issues were corrected...

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The 2.3'* by no means are junk, but you need some know how and patience to work on them. I believe the head gasket problems with them where solved by 1994. A friend of mine has got a 1995 cavi with the 2.3 and its a strong motor which surprises me because he neglects the car. One big advantage to the 2.4 though is the balanced camshafts, the 2.3 and 3.4 LQ1 engines unfortuately were both gifted with cams not balanced well. Now Im not a mechanic or anything but I really believe that this is one of the main reasons to the high oil comsuption and oil wear in the 2.3.
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My wife has an '02 (I think - possibly '01) Alero for her company car. Just over 60k miles now. It'* a quad4. The engine/trans mechanically has been great. The front calipers (yes CALIPERS) have been replaced 3x Left & 2x Right because the pistons have froze up. She goes through brake pads/rotors about every other oil change (or every 8-10k miles). The rear pads/rotors have had to been changed twice (unheard of) and a rear caliper has also had to be replaced. The PCM has been replaced twice. The blower motor resistor block has been replaced 4 times. A lot of the trim on the interior is warped from who knows what. Also, both front wheel bearings have been replaced 2x left and 3x right. All this in alittle over 60k miles from new.

Now, before you go saying that the brakes have had to be replaced because my wife drives like a maniac, she doesn't. Most of the time she coasts up to stop signs with little braking and the car isn't driven in stop and go driving at all because we live out in the country.

I wouldn't take an Alero if someone were to give it to me with free oil changes for life. Way too expensive to maintain.
Those are the exact same things I read while I was looking at getting an Alero a few months ago. The interior trim you talk about is also true. I even read that the top of the dashboard can wrinkle after a couple years. I guess the brakes were too weak for the weight of the car...I believe there was a recall for that (my brother-in-law has a GA GT and had huge brake problems as well). Overall, I wouldn't buy an Alero after reading some horror stories either. I test drove one (3400) and it was a very good looking car, black, 4 door GLS, loaded to the max, leather, chrome rims, etc... but I didn't do much research until after I test drove it, and once I read reviews I got my deposit refunded.
ive got a 01 with 87k and my dash looks perfectly fine. it is a soft padded vinyl so if you let it bake in the sun 365days a year and never treat it, im sure it'll crack. put some treatment on it and it will never bother you, like mine

my 3400 alero has never left me stranded, never had a problem except a EGR valve, set off the SES light but it still drove fine. cost me like 50 for a new one. then the abs sensor, cost me 95 and i easily replaced it myself. you have to remember when you read the internet people only post about problems, so every post is problems. you wont see many posting that there car is running great. take a look at the technical section of here, clubgp.com or any other 3800 forum. you'll see thousands of posts about problems, and a bunch of people who say they;ve had problem after problem and that 3800'* are junk (not my opinion)



check out aleromod.com or grandamgt.com. the 3400 powered cars are very reliable. the only real problems are intake manifold gaskets and abs sensors, a few other tiny things like having to replace resistors, but thats it. more reliable than the average car - or ANY dodge/chrysler
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