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Old 04-02-2010, 01:51 AM   #1
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Cool The official "is Pontiac gone forever" rumor thread!

Well, today, after helping the girlfriend car search for either a '04+ grand prix or a '00+ Bonneville, I was thinking about how sad I was that Pontiac is gone. I mean, i drive an oldsmobile alero, but i don't think of oldsmobile being anything that buick and chevrolet couldn't be. Then, comes Pontiac. I mean, they were the definition of exciting cars. Sure, they may have had rebadged models and used the same drivetrains from other GM cars but it was the total package deal that made it appealing - the combo of the best engines, sharp designs, cutting edge features - made me attracted to the brand. dh2

Now, for the conspiracy. After consulting my friend, google.com, I heard about many rumors about the future of pontiac and the way GM has acted about the whole ordeal does point that they might have plans for Pontiac once things in the auto industry settle down.

Things I have read about Pontiac:

1. GM is supposedly bringing the brand back as the original niche brand in late 2011.
2. The whole reason GM didn't give Pontiac a farewell when the last G6 was made is because they quietly wanted to phase out the brand to make it easier to bring back later
3. After phasing out Pontiac, many Buick, GMC dealers have protested that they have no new cars cheaper than 20K, causing GM to rethink decision
4. Holden is losing money, blaming GM, possibly influencing Pontiac return as a reworked Holden for the US (i.e. return of the G8 )
5. As Bob Lutz prepares for retirement, it is rumored that his last big push at GM will be to revive Pontiac.
6. I found it is odd that although GM is willing to sell the other brands that it ended, it will not sell the Pontiac name and rights. This is a big deal to me because it would seem that they would sell anything for whatever money they could get especially since holding onto the dead name would gain them no profit.


So, I want to hear what other members here feel about whats going on with Pontiac and please please please post up any info that you may know. I wish I had the power as a civilian to go talk to whomever at GM is in charge of this decision and voice my support for the brand since it is the only one that I feel loyal to.

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I suppose anything is possible.Look what happened with the Camaro
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I heard something about a Michigan man who was trying to arrange to buy all the names, rights, factories, etc to Pontiac and keep making them. Haven't heard anything else on that yet though.
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I heard something about a Michigan man who was trying to arrange to buy all the names, rights, factories, etc to Pontiac and keep making them. Haven't heard anything else on that yet though.
yeah, that was Jim Waldron, who owns one of the Buick Pontiac GMC dealerships in the area. GM would not sell to him for some reason...
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What tooling left is being dismantled as we type. Most of Pontiac was rebadged GM and Holden in the end for starters. Unrealistic Pipe dream. Settled down? GM is going to be lucky to make it a few more years. Toyota just fired out a round of incentives and rebates to get out of the recall slump that the others have to follow. Really bad news for GM who isn't making Government mandated goals to begin with. I think its a pipe dream by people that want to believe. And fueled by reporters who write to an audience rather than firm facts. I read the Holden article, and then others that say Holden management is trying to save face. Pontiac isnt the blame for their woes. Holden is worldwide and the G8 a small slice of their action. In fact they used the same platform and most tooling that was already in place to make the Commodore. Their own brand of this car has flopped and they want to point fingers st the G8? They made the same mistakes as the Big 3 here. Didn't watch the final cost/profit lines across the board, and ignored signals that consumers were changing wants and buying habits. Pontiac is Dead. There wasnt enough demand to keep it alive, and certainly not the bank to bring it back. If GM decides to import Holden again, it would be Buick badged. I dont see the major stockholder (US Gov) allowing it with all the public cash propping GM up and double digit unemployment here.
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i think the new G8 will continue as the new Chevy Caprice or Lumina,

matter fact when i was back home in lebanon summer 2009 i saw a 2008 or 2009 Chevy Lumina..

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