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Old 04-14-2008, 07:15 PM   #1
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That'* pretty crazy.......I'd have to see a few instalations in person over a good course of time before I would do it to my own vehicle though......

I guess I'm skeptical about it yet....
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hey, the chick is kinda cute.
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hey, the chick is kinda cute.
She looks like she knows a lot about engines.
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Total bunk.
It takes so much electricity to run that the drag from the alternator would consume two to three times as much energy as the hydrogen fuel produced by the process could add to the system. It'* an overall LOSS of efficiency.

I mean think about it. You're using electricity from a belt-run alternator to power an inefficient process that produces a low-energy-per-volume gas to run the internal combustion engine that runs the alternator that powers...yada, yada, yada...they're asking you to invest in a perpetual motion machine, which is made up of several highly inefficient machines. It could never produce enough energy to keep the process going, much less move the car, too.

BTW, don't bother looking it up on Wiki, the articles there were written by a Canadian company that makes these rigs. I took a look at the history, and at the page content, and it seems that all the sections were written or revised by one user, and they refer several times to the company in question, and use several passages lifted straight from their website.
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BTW, don't bother looking it up on Wiki, the articles there were written by a Canadian company that makes these rigs. I took a look at the history, and at the page content, and it seems that all the sections were written or revised by one user, and they refer several times to the company in question, and use several passages lifted straight from their website.
What Canadian company are you referring to?

I actually worked for one. In comparison, this ain't no 40% gain, but more about 10%. And a reduction in particulate emissions. That said, the technology still has a LONG way to go in terms of the gains to be seen and the large-scale implentation of the systems. But I do believe in it -- not to be confused with this "RUN YOUR CAR ON WATER!!!!!!11" crap.

R&D testing with hydrogen (boom!) was fuuuuuuuuuuun.
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Canadian Hydrogen Energy Company.
Using hydrogen to reduce emission and boost efficienct is a workable thing, it'* the electrolysis part that isn't.
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Funny you mention this. My boss actually has done a "hydrogen fuel cell" on his 1994 LeSabre. I know a lot of people call B.*. but I've personally driven his car and with the fuel cell on and off makes a difference in how the car runs. I kid you not, it runs smoother and seems to have more power with it on. He sees around a 3-4 MPG increase average when he uses it.
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Guys, hydrogen has a VERY low amount of energy for volume. You HAVE to pressurize it and inject it at high pressures to get ANY actual mechanical power out of it. The systems that are on the market as "hydrogen generators", or "water power" systems are universally a con. They use unpressurized hydrogen, produced by an inefficient process that uses more energy than it can produce.
In addition, NOT ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS HAS EVER BEEN SUBMITTED FOR TESTING BY THE EPA OR ANY INDEPENDENT AGENCY, SUCH AS UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES.
If these systems actually worked as advertised, then EPA and UL certification would be the most important thing on the inventor'* minds. So, why no submissions for evaluation?


The systems that HAVE been tested use tanked, pressurized hydrogen, and yes, they do show improvements in mileage and emissions.
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Canadian Hydrogen Energy Company.
Our arch rivals!

Hy-Drive shot themselves in the foot a bit when they made a really promising product - but then some reliability issues came up. Very few people in industry have worked with hydrogen and the other (ahem... NDA ) materials involved and lifespans of the various million components.

But we sure do have an awesome company car!
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