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Old 09-25-2007, 05:11 PM   #21
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As of 11am this morning i am now on lay off til further notice. Can't believe they wouldn't let us finish out the day. Been with Cooper Standard Automotive for 19 years.
I would rather work but at least the weather is nice....
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unions DO ensure a fair salary, comfortable life, and middle class. what the H*** is wrong with that???
I've achieved all of that without working for a union. I don't need a middleman to negotiate my salary and take a cut in the process, I can negotiate on my own.

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And what is wrong with job security? GM dumping the UAW is not a good thing. that would be devastating to our economy. that affects EVERYONE!
They will ensure such job security that GM will buckle and go out of business as Toyota sells better products that can be manufactured CHEAPER. Surely that would be devastating to the economy..

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lets make the rich, richer, at the expense of the worker.
And going on strike with no pay for several weeks makes your richer? How many years would it take to make up for the earnings lost during a strike? And you have no choice in the matter!!
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:35 PM   #23
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And going on strike with no pay for several weeks makes your richer? How many years would it take to make up for the earnings lost during a strike? And you have no choice in the matter!!
you make some good points but, i think you may have misinterpreted some of what i said.

first off, i am not a uaw member. i belong to Detroit local 58 electrical workers union. and i do have some control over our strike/ contract negotions. its called voting.

And uaw strike does not directly stop my paycheck. but, the uaw'* strike does shut down some of my companies jobs.

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They will ensure such job security that GM will buckle and go out of business as Toyota sells better products that can be manufactured CHEAPER. Surely that would be devastating to the economy..
and if we make dirt wages, and struggle like we live in mexico, then how will anyone afford a new car, domestic or foreign?


and my main point about the strike, and gm dropping the uaw, would be the direct impact to the local businesses. the mom & pops restaurants, and hardware stores etc, would lose much of their revenue. thats who im talkinh about. support them. stop the hate.


i will say that i do have one major problem with unions. that is that its so hard to get rid of the lazy, slacker, drug addicts, or drunks, that give ALL unions a bad name. i believe its these select few that make people like urself hate unions. its their terrible work ethics that get passed around like a highschool rumor. thats what i hate the most.
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and my main point about the strike, and gm dropping the uaw, would be the direct impact to the local businesses. the mom & pops restaurants, and hardware stores etc, would lose much of their revenue. thats who im talkinh about. support them. stop the hate.
how about the impact itd have on the local mom and pops restaurants and hardware stores when GM ships those jobs overseas, where theres no union raising pay to outrageous levels over there.
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and my main point about the strike, and gm dropping the uaw, would be the direct impact to the local businesses. the mom & pops restaurants, and hardware stores etc, would lose much of their revenue. thats who im talkinh about. support them. stop the hate.
how about the impact itd have on the local mom and pops restaurants and hardware stores when GM ships those jobs overseas, where theres no union raising pay to outrageous levels over there.
i agree with the first part, thats actually what i said. but is their salary really so outrageous? why is it ok to make min wage. and why is it ok for execs to make millions? whats wrong with a little balance. (which is still very offset anyway)
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i work for an automotive supplier, and i know for a fact i make the same pay that the union guys make... I know unions fight for workers rights but not every worker deserves those rights. some, maybe most, do... its just a shame to see all the good lumped in with the bad. I think that really it COULD work out to everyones best interest without unions. think of it this way. you could then fire the lazy employees and promote the hard working honest employees. that doesn't really happen with unions. everyone is on a level playing field, good or bad.
 
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i agree with the first part, thats actually what i said. but is their salary really so outrageous? why is it ok to make min wage. and why is it ok for execs to make millions? whats wrong with a little balance. (which is still very offset anyway)
Because the execs are worth it! It'* simple supply and demand. It all depends on how replaceable you are!

Why should a guy who can be replaced with a week'* worth of training make $100,000 a year? And why should his/her job be SO protected that others can't sneeze without having a grievance filed against them? That kind of nonsense breeds inefficiency and proves that some people aren't needed in an organization.
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i agree with the first part, thats actually what i said. but is their salary really so outrageous? why is it ok to make min wage. and why is it ok for execs to make millions? whats wrong with a little balance. (which is still very offset anyway)
Because the execs are worth it! It'* simple supply and demand. It all depends on how replaceable you are!

Why should a guy who can be replaced with a week'* worth of training make $100,000 a year? And why should his/her job be SO protected that others can't sneeze without having a grievance filed against them? That kind of nonsense breeds inefficiency and proves that some people aren't needed in an organization.
whats not needed is your negativity on something you do not know first hand.

because in my union, we school for 5 years. not a week. its most non union shop in my field that train for a week. and why are the douche bag execs worth it? i dont know how any one can see what they do as right. thats just me.

And who makes 100k? you have to work 7 12'* to do that. and as far as i am concerned, if you work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for a whole year, then YES you deserve 100k.
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well well, GM'* Back to work today. looks like they setteled their differences rather quickly.
 
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Yep, GM is back to work today. Everyone has said their piece. Laying this one to rest before it gets heated again.
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