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Old 04-16-2007, 07:25 PM   #21
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The reason for the doing the front is because if you do the rear, it'll knock me out of a stock class and put me into the street tire class, where i will get my A$$ handed to me
Interesting.

What if you're in my case, where I am running an OE SSEi/FE2 bar on my SE/ originally FE1 car?
Jason, You should be ESP.
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Really? I would have thought that would have kicked him into SM.
Off to read the rule book......
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:41 AM   #23
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The car could've been ordered with those parts through Pontiac, and frankly, there'* no way to tell for them really.
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The reason for the doing the front is because if you do the rear, it'll knock me out of a stock class and put me into the street tire class, where i will get my A$$ handed to me
Interesting.

What if you're in my case, where I am running an OE SSEi/FE2 bar on my SE/ originally FE1 car?
Jason, You should be ESP.
Our cass / prep points up here are based on the SCCA rules.
Depending on how many (and what) mods you have Bonnevilles generally start off in GS, and then move into ESS/ESP, which is pretty much a "catch all" class.
It should be noted that the +97 Grand Prix also starts off in GS.

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All American inline 6, V-6 and V-8 sedans and pick-ups not
otherwise classified. Other sedans over 3.0 liters NOC.


Also an +04 GTO start off in FS.

As for ESP.... that'* where both my cars are in (due to prep points). You can beat Mustangs, if their drivers aren't the best. But good luck catching any Eagle Talons. At least the STi'* aren't in the class anymore.
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The way I understand the rules, if you use parts from another trim level, or model year of the same car, you must do everything that was included in that trim level. For example, if you ran your car with the FE2 suspension, it would need to ave everything done to it that would have made the suspension a stock item on the car. So if the FE2 suspension only came on SSE'* and SSEi'*, you would nneed to ave you car be updated/backdated to mirror that trim, including motor items, interior items, outward appearance (as in get SSE cladding put on the car) and anything that would apply.

Here'* the rules if anyone reads it differently:
http://www.scca.org/Solo/Index.asp?I...0&x=050|070&~=
or more specifically:
http://www.scca.com/_filelibrary/Fil...categories.pdf
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Ok sorry to derail the tread somewhat... But thanks for the clarification. My dad had considered AutoX last year with the Solstice, might've even attended an event as well to watch...
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The way I understand the rules, if you use parts from another trim level, or model year of the same car, you must do everything that was included in that trim level. For example, if you ran your car with the FE2 suspension, it would need to ave everything done to it that would have made the suspension a stock item on the car. So if the FE2 suspension only came on SSE'* and SSEi'*, you would nneed to ave you car be updated/backdated to mirror that trim, including motor items, interior items, outward appearance (as in get SSE cladding put on the car) and anything that would apply.
What secton/page is that in?
I don't think that'* the case at all. I believe as long as the suspension was an option on any trim level it'* considered stock. Unless the cars trim levels are in different classes (EG: Impreza, WRX, WRX STi) Which is certainly not the case for a Bonneville!
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For stock category (Section 13, page 62 of the Solo Rules):

Quote:
Option package conversions may be performed between specific
vehicles of a particular make and model, but only between
configurations from within a particular model year. Such conversions
must be totally complete and the resultant car must meet all
requirements of this Section. Alternate parts listed in a factory parts
manual are not authorized unless their use is specifically referenced
in the factory service manual or in a service bulletin for the specific
model.

As for it being kicked into ESP, it still seems a bit fuzzy to me, due to the car not being specifically called out in the listing, which the rules say it needs to be for stock parts to be swapped.

Page 84, Section 15.1.C
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Equipment and/or specifications may be exchanged between
different years and models of a vehicle if (a) the item is standard
on the year/model from which it was taken, and (b) the years/
models are listed on the same line of Appendix A (Street Prepared
Classes). The updated/backdated part or the part to which
it is to be attached may not be altered, modified, machined or
otherwise changed to facilitate the updating/backdating allowance.
Standard factory installation methods, locations, and configurations
are allowed. The updating and/or backdating of engines,
transmissions or transaxles must be done as a unit; component
parts of these units may not be interchanged. Cars not
listed in the Street Prepared sections of Appendix A may not be
updated/backdated until approved by the SEB and published in the
official SCCA publication.

And as for taking this topic off course, no worries. I just glad that there is a legitimate AutoX topic being discussed here.
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The way I read is it is... make/model would be "Pontiac/Bonneville"
I would consider SLE/SSE/SSEi "trim levels" for the Bonneville, but not seperate models.

The line "(b) the years/models are listed on the same line of Appendix A" I believe is the key. This says to me that unless it specifically mentions "Bonneville SSEi" in a different class then "Bonneville SLE" then anything that came standard on either can be swapped. (please note Bonneville is not mentioned anywhere).

As for "standard equipment" I believe that is anything that can be ordered as an option from the dealer at time of build/delivery. But not something that came afterwards, or could be ordered from a dealer catalogue.

(btw... are we talking about classing a Bonneville or GTO?)
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Merlin I believe you're right, That'* how I was classed for the three years I ran the 93SE.
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