The paint is rough, as is the hood decal which would probably be hard and expensive to replace. There are a couple dents, and a tear or two in the seats (my brother didn't take the BEST care of it). I figured he'd maybe get 2500 for a trade, $3000 TOPS for the miles and rarity. But I may convince my parents to keep the car if he gets another one. But my parents were trying to sell it a couple years ago on their own.

Grimm, when my brother said he gets 17 mpg on the highway, I told him something'* wrong. Though he has no mechanical expertise or knowledge, and despite me telling him my 13- year-old Bonneville gets 30 on the highway, he said things like "it'* not supposed to get good gas mileage," because "the technology is old." (I don't know where he gets this stuff from)

I asked if he has replaced any of the various tune-up items – he didn't even know what an oxygen sensor was – and he said it'* all original. No wonder it'* bad.

Heck, my '68 with a big 455 V8 gets about 17 mpg on the highway.

Tell you brother to GIVE you the firebird and you will GIVE him the Bonne. That'* the greatest idea really. Then BOTH cars stay in the family

I'd rather sell my Bonne to a member.... lol

No wonder they only made 600. LOL!!

Just a comment - if you change the engine or modify the car it will LOSE value. A car like this has much more value in original configuration - gutless engine or not. In order to get what you think the car is likely worth, you will probably have to advertise for a long time until the right collector comes along and he'* not going to pay top dollar for something with a non-matching V8 or not stock turbo on it. No matter how much better the performance is.

I agree, that is true.

If it were my car, I'd never get rid of it for as long as I was lucky to own it. I wouldn't PLAN on getting rid of it anyway. So I wouldn't mind throwing in the V8 that the other TAs had at that time. Of course this would all be a dream at this point. If I owned it I probably would never get around to it and it would stay original.

I told my parents to throw it on eBay when they were trying to sell it. But my dad is stubborn, according to my mom, and he never did. It would surely sell a lot quicker that way, and could reach the right buyer.

I've a question; if he still owes 2grand to your parents how does he expect to pay them off and trade it in?

Theres no way I'd let that go for $1500. If he persues this offer him the (about) $15 a month difference his payment will increase and you keep the car.

The dealer offered such a low price because they don't want the car. Their offer consists of what they'd get wholesaling it plus a discount on the price of the new car. They'd rather not have the hassle of dragging it to the wholesaler for only a little bit of profit, if any.

Yeah, I don't know how he plans on paying my parents back. I don't know the whole story since I don't live in Syracuse anymore. But that would be a problem.

Another problem is the fact that he seems to be rushing into getting a new car. He'* limiting himself to Bill Rapp because it'* close to home and convenient. My family has bought many cars from them. But NOT shopping around is always a bad decision. It took me 2 weeks and hours of searching online in several states to find this 03. He'* just trying to get the first car he sees and doesn't want to look anymore.

its option #2 then, take the car for youself and give him the $15/month his payment will go up. Let him figure out the parents thing. LOL

btw - I'm in Syracuse if you need help with anything, like a ride there if you fly in (hint). My mornings can be free, since I work evenings.

I really don't want a third car now. I'm not going to pursue it. I have to sell the 94. Plus if I had a choice, I'd rather have the 94 SSEi than the Firebird. Though it'* rare, so is my SSEi to some degree, and it'* a helluva lot faster.