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Old 01-03-2005, 06:58 PM   #11
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The 3.6L VVT in the new STS is a great motor, don't get me wrong, but you're alittle off by saying that it is better or even equivalent to the L67.
no,no not at all im saying that people just look at driving a car, period. 90% of the people who buy the 3.6 will never mod that engine EVER, so an upgradeable drivetrain is something that is not considered when deciding what engine to stick in. People see that the 3.6 produces 240 hp and and a L67 produces 240 with having to put premium fuel. gas prices are higher these days. Im just looking at this from a consumer standpoint and a GM standpiont. the Caddy 3.6 VVT is making 255 hp and the other GM 3.6 VVT'* only make 240 hp

L67 > all v6 engines ( well except the GN turbo 3.8 )
Do a google search, you might be surprised to find there are forums similar to this one for Caddy owners who do similar mods to their cars.
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Old 01-03-2005, 07:01 PM   #12
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www.cadillacforums.com, I co-admin OldsmobileForums with Sal Collaziano, the owner of CF.com and its a great site for Northstar owners and believe me, there are some kicking Caddies out there.
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www.cadillacforums.com, I co-admin OldsmobileForums with Sal Collaziano, the owner of CF.com and its a great site for Northstar owners and believe me, there are some kicking Caddies out there.
Oh I know that there are some Caddy'* out there that are putting out some serious HP, but look at the money that they are putting into them...

I agree that the average buyer of a new STS isn't going to be modding it. But there in lies the problem. There is little demand for performance parts so the price is considerably higher.

I'd rather have a good old iron block push rod engine anyday over an engine with all the latest and greatest do-dads on it. I grew up working on those good old engines and I hope that they are still around when I've tightened my last bolt.
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price of mod parts is going to be extremely high compared to others. A good example would be comparing our series II as far as hop up parts and price to the import scene.. the import scene has the demand for it so naturally the price is going to be better since the producer knows they will make more money with more quantity.

But when you think bout it.. our good ol push rods are damm good stock that we eat most rice.. so in stock form the STS should be able to handle most car on the road... and if you think bout it.. it'* nice to go quick down the quater mile.. but these 2 cars are also built with luxury in mind stead of all out performance.

You give some you take some..
I want the lazy man cruise control that I would surrender to thats on the STS and finally..more cars with HUD.. I can't drive Tamara'* non HUD bonneville.. so use to having it on my line of sight.. lmao !!!
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Old 01-03-2005, 07:28 PM   #15
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The 3.6L is far from having all the HP sucked out of it yet. Wait till some PCM'* come out for it, some valvetrain work, and maybe some more induction. Those suckers are gonna be around for a while, and they're global so many people will be interested in them as well. The 3800 is built to be reliable, the SC was added for performance increase. Stock 3800 heads are very far from any performance setups.

Anyone know the redline on a 3.6 VVT?
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I still won't forget seeing that late 90'* Caddy STS in a nieghboring town do a 40 mph burn out and continue to burnout for almost 1/2 block. I haven't seen that car or owner in the past 2 yrs but OMG!!!!! I was standing in a parking lot talking to my GF of the time when I heard this kick-bu++ roar as the tranny downshifted and immediately a cloud of smoke started emitting from the front wheels as the car went by. I would love to have gotten a ride in that car -nasty bad!!! It definitely was quick with the 100 shot of giggly gas, and then with the full exhaust (dual 2.5" mandrel bent withhigh flow cats and Flowmasters) he really had trouble with traction in 1st and half way through 2nd.

I wonder what they did to detune the 3.6 to 240 for the non-Caddies? Shouldn't be hard to regain that 15 hp with a CAI and either mufflers or high flow cats. I'll bet that thing is very rev happy and with the proper gearing could really give a stock L67 a good run for the money.
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*ahem* dont mean to boast, but my wimpy 4.0 Norhstar can give 3800s a run for their money.

I just wish the aftermarket was a bit more....there
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3.6L VVT V6, 240 [email protected] 6000rpm; 225ftlb @ 2000rpm. Motor Trend tested that engine in the Buick La Crosse. 0-60mph in 8.1 sec and the quarter mile [email protected] 84mph.
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Personally i'd rather have the 3.6. It'* MUCH lighter, and it'll be a ton better with gas milage.

HP wins races. In a drag race >99% of all 3800'* will hit their torque peak once, while you hit the HP every time. You need a good balance, the 3.6 does that IMO. lighter aluminum engines don't hurt either. Just wait till the 3.9 version comes out.
Ditto to all your statements.

A properly tuned (for the street, anyway) DOHC, multi-valve motor will makes its power anywhere you put it. While you're giving away some bottom end, it'll still be no slouch - midrange punch can especially be sweet. There are plenty of other factors and variables at work too, ie, a long-stroked motor should feel more torquey down low (and rev less freely, for that matter) than a short-stroked, bigger-bore engine. I personally love how comparable hp, smaller DOHC, multivalve V6s rev and make their power. Namely 1MZ/3MZ-FE Camrys. The NA 3800 in a 2001 Grand Prix GT totally, absolutely (still) hits a wall past 3000rpm. Where the hell did all the power go?



My friend'* family just traded in their '01 STS for a 2005 V6 STS, so I'll see how well it fares. Said friend already says that the 2005 is lightyears ahead of the 2001 (I'm not surprised, the 1998 models was never quite up to par in its class), but doesn't necessarily have the same sense of urgency as the 4.6 Northstar. His 6-disc in dash CD changer hasn't been working since taking delivery (stick in 2 discs and the player bitches that it'* full), that'll have to be dealt with. Hopefully that'll be the only issue with the car. It'* still brand spanking new.
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3.6L VVT V6, 240 [email protected] 6000rpm; 225ftlb @ 2000rpm. Motor Trend tested that engine in the Buick La Crosse. 0-60mph in 8.1 sec and the quarter mile [email protected] 84mph.
Interesting -that'* dang near identical for what the 1998 SE with 2.84 axle ratio did (8.3 and 16.3 @ 84). I bet a 1998/1999 SLE/SSE with the 3.05 axle ratio would be right there with the Lacrosse. But mod for mod the Lacrosse will have the advantage -especially with the computer programmed approprietaly.
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