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Old 09-13-2006, 10:31 PM   #11
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Although the PCM may be able to correct the pulse and actuall run on E85, alcohol is corrosive and your engines internals ARE NOT PROTECTED. An E85 vehicles internals are all coated to deal with the corrosive alcohol... fwiw.
I agree. I've talked with delphi engineers who design their injectors and they said that E85 would just eat right though any injector that isn't coated. Which will end with it not really spraying fuel any more.


I would suggest only getting it for the campfire.....take pictures of that BTW
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Hey I got it!!

Buy al you can and then sell it for $1.50 /gal when the price goes back to over $2/gal.


nothing wrong with easy money!!
^^^ No better way to save money than to make money!

As far as putting E85 in the van is a big no. The SSEI believe it or not would take better to it than the van. I'm not saying put it in the SSEi. I'm saying that the SSEi already has beafy injectors and an engine made for high octane. E85 is 104 octane. The van would likely see a meltdown of its injectors as they are prolly the shittiest injectors next to a 85 Civic. If it makes it through them it will corrode the motor.
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Old 09-14-2006, 02:31 AM   #13
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Directly from GM via a TSB.

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Fuel System - E85 Fuel Usage

Bulletin No.: 05-06-04-035A

Date: March 09, 2006

INFORMATION
Subject:
Usage of E85 Fuels in GM Vehicles

Models:
1997-2007 All GM Cars and Trucks
2003-2007 HUMMER H2
2006-2007 HUMMER H3
1997-2007 Isuzu NPR Commercial Medium Duty Trucks
2005-2007 Saab 9-7X
1997-2007 All Saturn Vehicles

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This bulletin is being revised to update the model years and models and also the E85 Compatible Vehicle list. Please discard Corporate Bulletin # 05-06-04-035 (Section 06 - Engine).

Customer Interest in E85 Fuel

Many customers have inquired if they are able to use E85 fuel in non-E85 compatible vehicles. Only vehicles designated for use with E85 should use E85 blended fuel. E85 compatibility is designated for vehicles that are certified to run on up to 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. All other gasoline engines are designed to run on fuel that contains no more than 10% ethanol. Use of fuel containing greater than 10% ethanol in non-E85 designated vehicles can cause driveability issues, service engine soon indicators as well as increased fuel system corrosion.
Note: Use of fuel containing greater than 10% ethanol in non-E85 designated vehicles can cause driveability issues, service engine soon indicators as well as increased fuel system corrosion.

E85 Compatible Vehicles

The only E85 compatible vehicles produced by General Motors are:
^ 2000-2002 *-Series pickups with 2.2L (VIN 5- RPO L43)

^ 2002-2005 full-size pickups and utilities with 5.3L (VIN Z - L59)

^ 2006 Chevrolet Avalanche, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe with 5.3L (VIN Z - RPO L59)

^ 2006 Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo with 3.5L (VIN K - RPO LZE)

^ 2006 GMC Sierra, Yukon, Yukon XL with 5.3L (VIN Z - RPO L59)

^ 2007 Chevrolet Avalanche, Suburban, Tahoe with 5.3L (VINs 0, 3 - RPOs LMG, LC9)

^ 2007 GMC Yukon, Yukon XL with 5.3L (VINs 0, 3 - RPOs LMG, LC9)

^ 2007 Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo with 3.5L (VIN K - RPO LZE)

^ 2007 Saturn Relay, Buick Terraza, Chevrolet Uplander, Pontiac Montana SV6 (Canada Only) with 3.9L (VIN W - RPO LGD)

Note:
^ Only vehicles that are listed in the E85 Compatible Vehicles section of this bulletin are E85 compatible.

^ All other gasoline and diesel engines are NOT E85 compatible.

^ Use of fuel containing greater than 10% ethanol in non-E85 designated vehicles can cause driveability issues, service engine soon indicators as well as increased fuel system corrosion.
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:00 AM   #14
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There'* a guy that shows up on our local access stations that makes his own "E50". Half E85, half regular gas (E10 around here. Someone else do the math to figure out the new E-number)) and claims his car runs fine. I guess his sits at random gas stations offering to show you the correct mix to get going....
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Haro, Fill everything you got with it, then sell it just below the regular price once the craze calms and people are back to paying higher prices.

Heck this is a good opportunity to turn a profit!!
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they had several ethanol representatives on location to make sure people knew what the hell they were doing... they claimed it was illegal to be putting straight E85 in a non-flex fuel vehicle for this promo, and they were limiting to 30 gallons, however they had nothing wrong with blends... i put like 3 gallons i the van... i also filled three gas containers

all for $10.00

it was so awesome to fill up at full speed and be able to see EACH FRICKEN CENT
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Dude, just be careful with that stuff. Would you attempt to run your car on alcohol without the proper equipment and tuning? I don't think so. Same goes for E85.

Seriously, people (and I'm not just talking to Andrew here). What is so hard to understand? E85 IS NOT GASOLINE! Do not try to put it in a vehicle unless that vehicle is specifically designated as "E85 Compatible" or "Flex Fuel." And if you do try it, expect things to go wrong. Maybe not the first time you do it, but after repeated use. If someone can prove that extended periods of running E85 in a non-compatible car has no effect, I'll be the first one to apologize for giving misinformation.
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Old 09-14-2006, 01:37 PM   #18
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thanks for the warning ben, but i have read all the negative effects... and im pretty sure my 3 gallons mixed in with a full tank of 89 regular should be ok considering this is a one time deal and i will not be doing it again...

but like john said, and the ethanol reps at the gas station, some people do run blends all the time... who knows how long they can do it or how long the motor will last, but it does burn

-never would run in a bonneville-
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Andrew, you may not really be aware of this, but the early 2.2/2.5'* DO NOT have very good headgaskets or pistons. I've seen them go with just the slightest bit of know, and they do go bad quick.
I really suggest you stay away from E85 in the van. If it had the 3.0 I'd consider it, but definitely not in that 4-banger.
Take this from a guy who'* been through more 2.2/2.5 engines than he has Bonneville'*.
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3 gallons isn't gonna do **** when mixed with up to 15+ more gallons of regular. You wouldn't even notice a wear difference accrosed a few tanks.

I'd like to see fuel take out a headgasket....that'd be a neat little trick. For 3 gallons to take out a piston......Steve Irwin'* cause of death has better odds than the E85 roaching pistons.
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