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Old 06-16-2003, 03:01 AM   #11
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Yeah a bra wouldnt cause that, not by itself anyway. Whats strange is that it seems to still be reflective. It is as if it oxidized and someone painted clearcoat over it...
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Yeah a bra wouldnt cause that, not by itself anyway. Whats strange is that it seems to still be reflective. It is as if it oxidized and someone painted clearcoat over it...

I saw it before I bought it, and didn't see any marks on it like that. We had some heavy rain here then it warmed up again...so i'm thinking the moisture got caught and did that? I dunno...
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Yeah a bra wouldnt cause that, not by itself anyway. Whats strange is that it seems to still be reflective. It is as if it oxidized and someone painted clearcoat over it...
IT'* not oxidized.. and there is a clear coat over it.. so I think someone must've either clear coated on top to fix something.. or somehow it bled through the clear coat??? Didn't think it'* possible.

So we're going to have to find some time and $$ to either get the hood professionally sanded down and repainted again.. or do it ourselves ( by takin the whole hood off for a day or two ) since her dad has an air compressor that we may sandblast the whole thing.. ( and find the right match of color paint ) and spray it ourselves.. let it cure for a couple hours.. and re clear coat it. Or just leave the hood bra on for now... it'* her call. All the times we saw the car it was rainning or just finished rainin so it seemed like just condensation under the bra when we lifted the bra off.
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wow. That really does suck. I hate it when people try to sell a car when they're well aware that it has problems like this and they dont' tell the buyer about them.

Good luck to you! BTW, does anybody know if GM had some defective paint around 97'? The paint on the hood of my riv is pealing off on the very nose of it.
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Take that car back and say! F*** you put some mother f***ing paint on my hood for tricking me you bastards!!!!!!!!!!! Ill go too and throw that motherf***ing salesman thro the window.
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My new 2000 Bonneville (a week old to me tomorrow) had a bra put on it by the dealership when it was bought for me. That'* ONE WEEK AGO. I took the bra off today because i know they are bad...and LOOK AT WHAT IT HAS ALREADY DONE in a week!!!
So when you first saw the car for sale, it did not have a bra on it, correct?

How long has the bra been off now? Is the discoloration fading at all? It'* not been _scrubbed_ physically, such as if the bra was constantly fluttering against the nose and wearing off the paint, right? It looks like fogging in your pictures.

I'm wondering if the problem is a fogged clearcoat sealant, rather than the factory paint. One of the idiot dealer add-ons that they like to sell to clueless purchasers (I don't mean you; I mean the original buyer) is unnecessary paint sealer, along with other crap like undercoating, fabric protector and such. If the sealer even sticks to the car in the first place, it can produce future finish problems by actually sealing in contaminants or moisture, and I'm wondering if yours is an example. It'* pretty clear that the bra served to trap moisture against the surface until Something Bad happened, rather than letting the rainwater drain off, and since all bra-equipped Bonnevilles couldn't go this bad without a major outcry by the owners, yours must have some other factor that brought this on, and I'm guessing that it was a bogus aftermarket finish sealer.

It'* possible that if you can identify a solvent that will dissolve the sealer, your fogging might go away, too. I would try some Bug and Tar Remover and see if that helps -- it'll remove car wax right away, and maybe the clear stuff, too.

Actually before you do anything further: Have you gone back to the dealer yet? What did they say?
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Go to a professional body shop that is out of the area DONT tell them how or what ASK them what is wrong. They will tell you and tell you what could have caused it and how to fix it. Then armed with this information read your documentation you received when buying the car.

Then decide what to do.

I would personally take it back and give them a copy of the assessment from the body shop and let them know they can supply the money inside of a week or face a lawyer. Tell them there will be no further discussion. If they fail you send in a layer and a local TV station. lol

Works wonders.

Oh in Canada a waiver means nothing at all!!! Even the as is one dealers make some people sign. There was no lawyer there when you signed so the whole deal is still very liquid.

One other thing the dealer will act much like a child and deny and deny and deny. The easiest way out is give them a way to fix your problem without hurting their ego.

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My new 2000 Bonneville (a week old to me tomorrow) had a bra put on it by the dealership when it was bought for me. That'* ONE WEEK AGO. I took the bra off today because i know they are bad...and LOOK AT WHAT IT HAS ALREADY DONE in a week!!!
So when you first saw the car for sale, it did not have a bra on it, correct?

How long has the bra been off now? Is the discoloration fading at all? It'* not been _scrubbed_ physically, such as if the bra was constantly fluttering against the nose and wearing off the paint, right? It looks like fogging in your pictures.

I'm wondering if the problem is a fogged clearcoat sealant, rather than the factory paint. One of the idiot dealer add-ons that they like to sell to clueless purchasers (I don't mean you; I mean the original buyer) is unnecessary paint sealer, along with other crap like undercoating, fabric protector and such. If the sealer even sticks to the car in the first place, it can produce future finish problems by actually sealing in contaminants or moisture, and I'm wondering if yours is an example. It'* pretty clear that the bra served to trap moisture against the surface until Something Bad happened, rather than letting the rainwater drain off, and since all bra-equipped Bonnevilles couldn't go this bad without a major outcry by the owners, yours must have some other factor that brought this on, and I'm guessing that it was a bogus aftermarket finish sealer.

It'* possible that if you can identify a solvent that will dissolve the sealer, your fogging might go away, too. I would try some Bug and Tar Remover and see if that helps -- it'll remove car wax right away, and maybe the clear stuff, too.

Actually before you do anything further: Have you gone back to the dealer yet? What did they say?

When you said "sticking", i had bells go off in my head. Do you see that little round spot on the hood towards the bottom of the picture?? it'* like glue or something, and i don't know where that came from either. I've tried bug and tar remover, and goo goneon that spot (but not really the faded part) and it hasn't done a whole lot. I wonder if that could be what that is??

I did mean to call the dealership today but I worked an overnight last night and had to stay late this morning, so i slept through the day and I am just getting up now...they closed at 5...so i'm going to have to nail them tomorrow.

Speedy > I will see about stopping at a body shop on my way home from work tomorrow.

thanks everyone for all your help
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Hehe...on a lighter note...come to think of it...it kinda looks like a stretched out pontiac symbol.
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Yeah a bra wouldnt cause that, not by itself anyway. Whats strange is that it seems to still be reflective. It is as if it oxidized and someone painted clearcoat over it...
IT'* not oxidized.. and there is a clear coat over it.. so I think someone must've either clear coated on top to fix something.. or somehow it bled through the clear coat??? Didn't think it'* possible.

So we're going to have to find some time and $$ to either get the hood professionally sanded down and repainted again.. or do it ourselves ( by takin the whole hood off for a day or two ) since her dad has an air compressor that we may sandblast the whole thing.. ( and find the right match of color paint ) and spray it ourselves.. let it cure for a couple hours.. and re clear coat it. Or just leave the hood bra on for now... it'* her call. All the times we saw the car it was rainning or just finished rainin so it seemed like just condensation under the bra when we lifted the bra off.
WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT TRY SANDBLASTING THE HOOD TO GET THE PAINT OFF !! YOU WILL MORE THAN LIKELY WARP IT. SAND THE PAINT DOWN ONLY. [/b]
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