Reasons not to get a 96SSEi - GM Forum - Buick, Cadillac, Chev, Olds, GMC & Pontiac chat


General GM Chat When starting new posts, please specify YEAR, MAKE, MODEL, ENGINE type, and whatever modifications you have made. Chat about all things GM (and related cars). Off-topic stuff should be in the Lounge, and all Model specific mechanical problems should be posted in the proper forum.

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-02-2007, 11:49 PM   #1
Senior Member
True Car Nut
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Twin Falls, Idaho
Posts: 7,545
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Hans is on a distinguished road
Default Reasons not to get a 96SSEi

As some of you know my dad was in a pretty severe accident with his 1996 SSE, he is doing fine now with minimal pain and is already looking for a buick lesabre, park ave, or a bonneville.

I would have gladly gave him one of my cars but he did not like my prices and he ONLY wanted a buick park ave...well now he is broadening his car shopping search again.

I found him a 1996 SSEi sorta local to him with low miles at a decent price.

The only big problem I can think of is that the transmission is MUCH harder to come by since the particular version was only used in 1996 on the L67 cars..which was only the Park Ave Ultra, Olds LSS, SSEi, and the SE-SC (according to car-part.com)

Anything else I should know about the 1996 model year?
Hans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2007, 11:55 PM   #2
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montevideo, MN MWBF '05, '06, '07 WCBF '06 '07 survivor
Posts: 3,882
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
sonoma_zr2 is on a distinguished road
Default

Andrew has a 99 PA that is gonna be pretty nice soon.
sonoma_zr2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2007, 11:56 PM   #3
Senior Member
True Car Nut
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Twin Falls, Idaho
Posts: 7,545
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Hans is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sonoma_zr2
Andrew has a 99 PA that is gonna be pretty nice soon.
It will be over my dads pricerange by then
Hans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2007, 12:12 AM   #4
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Lethbridge, Alberta, _______Canada._______ West Coast Bonneville Fest ___05,06,07 Survivor___
Posts: 8,134
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
SSEimatt93 is on a distinguished road
Default

In my opinion, the 4T60E-HD Was FAR better than the 4T65-HD, these are just my thoughts though. Wouldn't be to worried about that, if it dies, have it rebuilt, used generally isnt a good choice
SSEimatt93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2007, 12:23 AM   #5
Junior Member
Posts like a Ricer Type-R
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
willwren is on a distinguished road
Default

I agree based on troubles, that the 60 was less trouble than the 65, and holds the power VERY well.

The only difference is the valvebody. Move the VB from the 96 trans to any 92-95 trans and you'll be fine.

Verify that before doing it. The transmissions aren't that much different. Not plug and play, but not incompatible, either.
willwren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2007, 07:41 AM   #6
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
 
BillBoost37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Enfield, CT
Posts: 41,391
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

I'm on the other side of the fence. The 65 was redesigned from the 60 to fare better and usually outlasts the 60 in torture tests. The 65 doesn't eat cases like the 60 in the diff area either. No matter how you look at it..none of our transmissions were ever designed to hold up to any added power.
BillBoost37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2007, 09:17 AM   #7
Junior Member
Posts like a Ricer Type-R
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
willwren is on a distinguished road
Default

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...ic.php?t=41919

And the 60 holds up quite well in torture tests, especially in the 96 Series 2 L67, where you don't have the brutally low torque peak like the S1.
willwren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2007, 09:24 AM   #8
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
 
BillBoost37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Enfield, CT
Posts: 41,391
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

Travis nearly 300K and many trips to the drags with slicks
Mine 176K with tons of abuse
Ed McGrath with 175K and much abuse..
The list goes on.

As for the torque and abuse. The S2 makes the power and more, however until the PCM is changed, it is managed and held back.

Let'* agree to disagree which trans actually holds up better. I've thought the poll was a bit biased based on categories and the information that was being collected.

We all like our cars..let'* not turn this into a heated debate or an S1 vs S2 or a East vs West thing.
BillBoost37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2007, 09:30 AM   #9
Junior Member
Posts like a Ricer Type-R
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
willwren is on a distinguished road
Default

You're forgetting WHERE the S1 makes it'* torque peak.

And 3 65'* out of how many? Travis we know is original (or was). How sure are we that yours was? Ed'*? What if the OEM trans was rebuilt before either of you purchased the car?

In the experience of my trans builder, the 65 was the wrong direction. He firmly believes, based on a 3:1 ratio of 65:60 rebuilds during the 'transition years' that this is true.

So the question comes back to Hans' post. There'* no reason to doubt the capability of the 60E in a S2 L67. How many of those have we seen fail?
willwren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2007, 09:47 AM   #10
Senior Member
Certified GM nut
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: New York City
Posts: 1,912
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
OLDsman105 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by willwren
So the question comes back to Hans' post. There'* no reason to doubt the capability of the 60E in a S2 L67. How many of those have we seen fail?





Hans, I am assuming your father will not be abusing the car so the 4T60 should hold up normally. The only thing I would recommend is to keep on eye on the transmisson temputares. My expierence is that these transmissons run hotter. I know the SSEi has a tranny cooler but I would still keep an eye on it.
OLDsman105 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My engine swap, 93se/96ssei ~Baker~ 1992-1999 7 09-11-2010 06:15 PM
What Rear Shocks to get ?? 96SSEI avstech10 1992-1999 6 04-14-2010 08:27 AM
The reasons my tools never get rusty (My other cars) Black Pearl Your Other Rides: Pics & Videos 2 05-02-2009 12:10 AM
40 Rock Solid Reasons to Get Drunk Tonight MOS95B Lounge 8 07-18-2006 06:59 PM
Interior Swap 92SSEi --> 96SSEi? JTPtheV 1992-1999 7 08-08-2005 09:11 AM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:13 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.