Question for willwren...
 

If I remember correctly, you mentioned before that you have the heated windshield. I was browsing your site, and I don't see the button for it. Where is it?

It's automatic. (unfortunately). I wish I had manual control over it. Comes on with defrost. I pull the 60-amp fuse in the spring, put it back in the fall. It's a huge load on the system, especially at night.

Weird. In my manual, it shows the button on the dash, right where you have your cell. I wonder why auto? Is you windshield kinda tinted like a Lincoln?

Yours is a 92......my 93 owners manual doesn't even LIST the option. Nor does it show a switch. They must have made a change between 92 and 93 (there are other differences...your sunroof interior and exterior trim are different than mine, as is the switch to open it, and a few other minor interior cosmetics).

Like what? Inform me.

Go to my website, and click on the link under the list of links....the gallery. You'll see pics of the exterior and interior sunroof pics on my car and Justin's 92 SSEi. Obvious differences. I recall the door panels or at least the speaker grilles in the doors being different, too, and maybe the ashtray in the center console...but that may only be the SE. I might be mistaken on that one.

The 92 and 93 are actually more different cosmetically and mechanically under the hood than most are aware of.

Other differences:

Car colored wheels were not available on the SSEi in 93, but were in 92. CV retainer clips were improved in 93 (not sure about the shafts themselves), rockers and heads differed between 92/93, Exhaust manifolds are slightly different (regardless of the lack of EGR in the non-SC models), and the balance shaft is different....in what way, I don't know.

Damn you. Got me thinking again. Not only are the differences between the 92/93 surprising (especially when you excect them to be identical, like I did), but on top of all that, my car is really a freak of nature all by itself. From the RPO sticky:

I didn't even know I had a heated windshield until I replaced it last year. Same thing on the Alternator. It was the factory installed unit that I replaced with the DP 160.

The only information I know about the history of my car is that it was a corporate fleet vehicle for an unknown company......with a $30k price tag, it was likely a company executive's car (our fleet cars at hp are POS Taurus's). I'm GUESSING that the next owner took the car when he retired. I bought it from the wholesaler that bought it from his widow after he died.

Now the discrepancies in the RPO list MIGHT be explained if this were a factory order, and the order was changed while the car was being built. That's the only explanation I can come up with.

And don't forget about my rear steering ;)

I knew about most that stuff. Engine internals, etc.
My sunroof is like the one in pic 105. Pic 104 appears to be an aftermarket sunroof. My outside seal look just like pic 131. 105 and 131 are your roof, correct?
I have the same door panels and speaker grills you do. "Lower" radio options have one speaker in the doors with an oval grille.
Our drivers airbag covers are different. I have no Pontiac dart on my steering wheel, just the word Pontiac.
Same ashtray.
I've seen 93's with the same 92 wheels, but not color matched, just grey.

Where did you see that rear steer light?

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...=rear+steering


read the whole thread

LMAO..one of the BC classics no doubt

Rear Steer :roll:

There is an actual light?!?

105 and 131 are mine (93). I have no trim around the sunroof opening. 104 and 130 are Justins 92. And this sunroof is FACTORY. Confirmed. Not aftermarket.

Rear steering light is also in that gallery. One of the same pages you were on.

I saw the pic, I thought it was photoshop or something.

I've never seen another sunroof and button like Justin's.

I have to get a flashlight to see if my rear steer is there.

I was thinking the same thing.

:lol: You have to rip the cluster out to get to it. You need to pull the bulb out of the back of the cluster and shine a flashlight in from the rear to see it.

It's POSSIBLE you might be able to read it from the front with a bright enough light source held at a particular angle. I'd be curious to see how many other cars have this.

cool
8)

Hmm.... what's the quickest way to see if I too, have a heated windshield?

I'll be darned, guess what I have...

a very rare option, it seems...

C50-Heated windshield on your RPO label. You should also have the 140amp alternator, rather than the 105 to go with it.

I have a de-ice button, but its been known to come on automaticly...

I might have a heated windshield. I'd check my RPO codes now but I can't get my trunk open :x

You must not have the RPO for that. Use a cutting torch on the trunk lid just forward of the spoiler. Check for this RPO code:

I hope the border patrol doesn't ask me to pop the trunk in March. My trunk button alone isn't doing it like it used to before winter. :roll:

Or

PMS (ajar any door when ready)

Pete, will the trunk lid open if you press down on it while someone presses the button?

It takes a little while, but yes it does work. I didn't try that tonight, but it always opens that way. The key does NOT turn the lock at all though. I got some new trunk stoppers from FlyBoy but they don't seem to be the solution.

I know what your problem is. I had it, and fixed it :P

How'd you wire up your speakers then?

Anyone else find their Rear Steer light yet?

He got the skinny underfed neighbor kid to crawl through the passthru in the back seat. :lol:

:lol:

I did the speakers before it was really cold out. For some reason the trunk popped open fine then. Usually I just pull up on the trunk lid a few times, and then go and push the button, and it opens. Tonight it didn't do it at all, and I didn't feel like getting my dad to come outside and press the button for me while I pressed down on the trunk.

Will, I remember you told me about having the same problem. I haven't tried to lube the lock yet. But I don't now if it's just the lock that's the problem, or the button too.

I'll write up a Techinfo on this. It seems fairly common. Your lid might be frozen shut. Get some teflon or silicon lube on the seals next time you get it open!

I'll get it open tomorrow somehow.

I found my rear steer light.

Cool! We need an SE from 92 and 93 to see if it's there, now that we know the 92/93 SSE/SSEi has it. And some cars from 94/95????

So, is your wind shield visually different than a non-heated one?

Quote from 92 owners manual about heated windshield:

I'm going to have to dig through my owner's manual again. I don't remember anything like that in mine.

page 119 in the 92 manual