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Old 12-23-2003, 10:21 AM   #21
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Yeah...only when I have to pass tho.

IF I was to go off the line...3rd, TC off, Performance shift on...I dont go anywhere for a bit, my tires just spin and smoke...

Then it lurches.

But I digress....it doesn't strike me a torque monster, even tho stock its got 260 ft/lbs
Whoa....my dads only spins for a few seconds under WOT from a dead stop. Weird.......... I guess its the new tires..........
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I can lay 20-30 feet.......on dry pavement. I layed a 'sample' almost 20' long in front of my house for Jseabert and his Mom

Havent' tried it since I had the tires siped, but Jseabert and I are thinking about teaming up for a quick burnout vid.
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hey jim, is that with the parking brake on too? out of the 100'* and 100'* of aurora member on gmforums before it went bye bye, no one could "lay smoke" w/ good tires and not loose/wet pavement. there high rpm engines. we just get a lil spin, if you have sweet traction just a little chirp

btw, the performance shift doesn't do anything for performance, it just delays shifts for daily driving, nothing for WOT or kickdowns. i even looked up the shift charts in my gm manual for aurora'*/riviera'*. has charts of the 3.48'*, 3.71'* with and without performance shift. just wastes gas....
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good kill......

sure he was racing though? the 2.4'* arn't bad, mid 8'* for a auto, the 2.2 was 10'* for a auto, you said he had you for a while, maybe he let off? his car is more of a revver, yours is more of a torquer. if he took you for 5 seconds, then you took him, he let off

i get eatin up by the 2.4 twin cam like nothing but hey at least its a gm
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Mikey..I left out a key factor....has to be kinda slick...otherwise...no way

and smokin the tires was a figure of speech, how bout spinning the tires...never had performance shift, figured it doesnt do much off the stop....still learnin this car
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btw, the performance shift doesn't do anything for performance, it just delays shifts for daily driving, nothing for WOT or kickdowns. i even looked up the shift charts in my gm manual for aurora'*/riviera'*. has charts of the 3.48'*, 3.71'* with and without performance shift. just wastes gas....
It does just waste gas, but we have it hardwired on in the GTP and it still averages ~26mpg, and gets 37mpg on the freeway. Not too bad for not being able to turn it off. It may explain a little bit about why the tranny is gone though .

However in the GTP, unlike the northstar powered cars, we can just sit there and smoke the tires from a stop WITHOUT using the brake. Stop dead (completely stopped, not rolling at all), nail the gas and there you will sit, about the time the smoke starts coming in the vents the car starts slowly creeping forward, then when you are moving ~10mph the tires will grip a little better and you will begin to move forward quicker (while still roasting the tires off the car), then it will continue to spin the tires until the 1-2 shift where the tires will chirp and then spin for a half second or so in 2nd. That'* what happens when you have 450lb.ft. of torque. And that is on dry pavement, with any sort of moisture on the road you can't hope for much traction at all. That is one of the reasons why the car is never driven in bad weather, its just way to hard to do, it doesn't take much pedal to make the tires turn over.

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its funny, cause the 93 ssei i drove for a week could spin the tires like nothing, not the aurora. but the ssei was no way faster, it just got up to 10mph quicker. once the aurora gets up to 10 the torque of the two'* about equal, then 30 and the aurora comes out on top.......till triple digits. ive heard our aurora'* have extremely aggresive torque management, to the point of actual retarding the timming off the line so we CANT spin the tires much. GM didn't want northstar powered cars to do burnouts, even the 4.6 cadillac, when you turn off traction control it starts in 2nd. ill race a series 1 3.8 */c anytime. a ++ boost 94-95 would probably take me if they hooked up, but id reel him in
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its funny, cause the 93 ssei i drove for a week could spin the tires like nothing, not the aurora. but the ssei was no way faster, it just got up to 10mph quicker. once the aurora gets up to 10 the torque of the two'* about equal, then 30 and the aurora comes out on top.......till triple digits. ive heard our aurora'* have extremely aggresive torque management, to the point of actual retarding the timming off the line so we CANT spin the tires much. GM didn't want northstar powered cars to do burnouts, even the 4.6 cadillac, when you turn off traction control it starts in 2nd. ill race a series 1 3.8 */c anytime. a ++ boost 94-95 would probably take me if they hooked up, but id reel him in
Its weird tho. The guy we went out with to test drive the 'rora said in his fathers 97, if you manually shift it, and hit it right, you could chirp into 2nd.

Why wouldnt it start in 1st?? Is that why the 0-60 times are in the 8'*??
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