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Old 03-16-2003, 10:55 PM   #21
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Someone want to tell me why Grand Prix owners think they are the **** now for finally getting a 3800 (which the Bonneville had for TEN years before?)
Now what is all of this BS about GPer'* thinking that they are the **** for having a 3800?
I think I am the **** and I don't even have a 3800 engine in my GTP.

Not too many people realize the the GP had a much better engine than the 3800 line in it between the years of 1991-1996. Labeled "the black sheep of the Gm engine line", it'* prototype produced a total of 281 hp, and without a blower! Yes I am talking about the LQ1, a 3.4 Litre DOHC engine. I am sure that if GM had decided to continue the DOHC engine into the 2nd Generation era of the GP, this arguement betwixt the GPers and the Bonny fans would not be happening... I also guess that GM has realized the error of its ways as a new DOHC engine is going to appear in the next few years, materializing in the form of a 3.6 DOHC engine...

I also think that you need to re-evaluate your comments about the 3800 engine in this case. Just because you have more displacement doesn't make you better than me...
Funny that you mention that, me and my partner were thinking about the 3.4L DOHC engine and racing it in the IDRC. They say you can race an OHC engine from the same manufacturer.... It could be evil, make around 800HP easy and just beat everyone out there, all the imports and everything.... And since its a dual power adder could have turbo/nitrous for a easy 1000HP.... Still looking into it but its looking more like it will come to fruition.
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The Bonneville had the 3800 Nine years prior to the Grand Prix. How do I know because my 87 Bonneville LE was powered by a 3.8 SFI. The 3800 came out in 88 they changed the intake and heads a little from the 3.8 so they called it the 3800 afterwards instead.

I'm not trying to flame just spread some info.
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I run mostly neck and neck with the local GTP'*....13.99 is my last recorded 1/4 time. I'm not SC or laughing, but I will tell you this: I WILL GET 13.00 BY THE END OF SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where do you race, richmond dragway or vmp? since you're pretty close to me, i'd like to see your car. i could record the race and post it for everyone to see. let me know. i'd love to set this up.

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nuff said.

EDITED BY WILLWREN: Note that the thread at ClubGP has been locked. And for good reason. Read my reply below. (willwren)
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Don't stir the pot man....

If a member says he is running a time (a pretty damn good time too) in the quarter or the 0-60, who are you to argue with him?

Read those mods man,
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He has put a lot of work into his car, give him props, not sh*t!!!

If he is running 13.99 seconds, THEN THATS WHAT HE RAN!, he is not going to come on here and lie.

Its amazing how Club GP can bad mouth...man...
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Complinitor and Turtle can back up their claims with timslips and dyno sheets. If someone has a problem with their claims, tough. Any member of ClubGP posting over here should have the same level of respect reflected in their posts as our members do over there. Period. GP owners will have to understand that MOST Bonnevilles equally modded can't hang because of the weight difference. They also need to understand that Scott Cook isn't the only exception to this rule. Beating a stock L67 GTP with a modded L36 Bonneville IS possible, and in fact is REALITY in the case of these 2 cars.

Quite frankly, many of us have seen the timeslips and dyno sheets, and anyone who says these claims are outlandish is just making an *** of himself. Yes, 355 hp at the wheels WITHOUT the gas on is possible, and we have one here, too. L36. He chooses not to get into specific details about where his parts come from, or where some of the work came from, but I can tell you if you knew the source, you'd all shut up and worship. Out of respect for him, I won't post it here. The owner of that shop is a member here, so maybe he'll pipe up.

As far as Complinitor is concerned, he backed that time up with a time slip, two consecutive runs against a MB Kompressor last fall. Yes, he won the bet associated with it too.

Any further flames here will be deleted. The Bonneville Club has a zero-tolerance policy towards flame wars, and we all want to keep it that way. Let'* get this topic back on track or it will be locked.
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Don't stir the pot man....

If a member says he is running a time (a pretty damn good time too) in the quarter or the 0-60, who are you to argue with him?

Read those mods man,
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He has put a lot of work into his car, give him props, not sh*t!!!

If he is running 13.99 seconds, THEN THATS WHAT HE RAN!, he is not going to come on here and lie.

Its amazing how Club GP can bad mouth...man...
I'd like to start this out by saying this is not a flame, but a response.
To this post all I can say is there are guys with GP L36s with many more mods than that that are running high 14s... so those mods do not equate to a 13.9. That'* what we're saying. And people pop up on ClubGP all the time and post phony times, so don't think that people can't lie about it.... I'm not saying he'* lying, I just saying that some people do, so don't be naive.
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Look...

The people who have posted those times, CAN back it up, we don't have a lot of "visitors" here on BC, showin up and posting a thread about how their Bonne smoked an M5 or whatever. People like Complintor and Turtle can and have backed up their claims.

Being naive, maybe so, but from what I have seen here, no liars around here. I have never visted Club-GP, so I can't verify what you have said regarding flagrant posting
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Go back and read the thread again. THIS thread. Pay close attention to the facts that the 2 Admins have posted. If Hector and I vouch for Turtle and Complinitor, then this issue is closed. BOTH of them have mods on their cars that aren't listed, and BOTH have backed up their times/ hp specs.

Any further reference to the otherwise will be deleted. Any further flames will be deleted. Consider this a warning to all who have posted here. I have NEVER banned a person on this club. I hope I don't have to. We have a totally different atmosphere here, and it deals with mutual respect. We don't allow the personal attacks that ClubGP does, and our members like it that way.

If you can't treat others with mutual respect, then other options will be explored.

I have personally edited or deleted posts in this thread to tone it down. Personal attacks have been removed, most of your 'facts' have been retained. Some of our members are also editing their own posts. Tone it down.

NO MORE FLAMES. Just understand, that I'VE personally seen the evidence of Comp'* 13.99, and have a pretty good idea how he'll get to 13, and I've also seen the evidence of Turtle'* 355 hp. If that'* not good enough for you, keep it on ClubGP. You'll have to start a new thread. The old one is locked for the same reason this one should be, and will if it doesn't cool off.

Scott Cook and Zoomer are already aware of one of the cars you're talking about (I know for sure that Scott is, and pretty sure Zoomer is). Don't make asses of yourselves, or any other person.

My finger is now hovering over the lock button.
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OK, Time for my $.02

Since we are all collectively driving similar vehicles, beit Bonnevilles or GPs, or in some instances both, I find it rather odd that any news of an uber-fast L36 wouldn't have trickled over to our side of the fence by now, especially if Scott Cook and/or Zooomer knew about it and assisted in supplying parts for the project(*).
Wouldn't it seem more noble to help other L36 entuhsiasts in building up their own projects, rather than to act all smug and pompous saying "nanner nanner...I've got a big secret I'm not tellin'" Is (if it is in fact legit) having the fastest N/A L36 that much of a crown for you to wear that you're going to keep all this information on the QT? That just seems childish. We're a community of vehicle enthusiasts here, no matter which side of the fence you prefer. If you really want respect from the community, you'll get it by helping other club members out. Just think how revered you would be if a few other L36 guys start running lightning-fast quarter mile times...Hell, you'll be famous!
I, for one am very interested in modding my L36 to hopefully run some good quarter mile times this summer, and if there'* anything that someone over here discovers that'* a worthwhile mod that I/we at ClubGP didn't know about yet...By all means share it! It'* not like we're going to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to show up at your local dragstrip and beat you with lighter cars. I'm just in it for my own satisfaction...I'm not competing against anyone but myself.

And yes, I would like to see dyno sheets/timeslips myself.

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