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Old 03-16-2003, 03:43 AM   #11
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With those mods you may have a chance with a GTP although with pulley, airbox,exhaust,and DHP PCM, they are in 13'*
That with all the mods the GTP has is running 13'* ?? Those are your typical mods start up for a L67.. but yet later you said ..
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it takes quite a but to run 13.00 in a GTP
.. that dont sound like much... There'* already a few people running around that mark already... Turtle and Scott Cooks are some of them.. Turtle'* car isn't supercharged either.
And if you look more closer and see what Complimentor has done to his engine.. you should be able to see it..
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ZZP GT rockers, Random Tech 9000 Hi-Flow Cat, stock muffler, no resonator, Ported and Polished heads--3% oversized intake and 5% oversized exhaust valves, Port matched exhaust manifolds, 9" K&N cone, ***NEW*** - 85MM F-body Tuned TB
These mods are not to be laughed at ( Like Ricers with their wings and dropped engine with their weed wacker sounding when pushin hamster power with a ( 20 HP+) Type R sticker ha ha ha... now those are to be laughed at ) IT IS possible... I had a friend way back 3 years ago who has a Pinto style.. might've been a Chevette ha ha ha.. anywho.. his dinky lil cars could smoke a lot of cars out there.. and the body looks like crap with rust all over and uneven paint schemes.. it was always a laugh to see the car.. but it can definitely do 13'*
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Turtle and Complinitor are easily the fastest NA'* we have here. They're proof of what you can do with a good head on your shoulders and a well-thought mod budget. We're not talking 20 year old GP owners here. We're talking about 2 guys that learned their knocks the old way. Building cars in their garages years ago. I learned the same way, only not to their level. Hector is an example of what a younger guy with the right experience is capable of. He also has a sponge instead of a brain. Sucks everything up, and doesn't let it go.

Complinitor has timeslips to back it up. Had a great run against a Kompressor last year at the track. Turtle has been clocked on the track and by radar on some top speed runs, and I'd bet he has timeslips to back it up too.

In either case, I know both of these guys very well, and I won't even begin to question the validity. To be a little specific and vague at the same time, Turtle signature isn't an accurate reflection of what'* under his hood. If you knew what he had and where it came from, you'd be VERY surprised. Most here would.
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ZZP GT rockers, Random Tech 9000 Hi-Flow Cat, stock muffler, no resonator, Ported and Polished heads--3% oversized intake and 5% oversized exhaust valves, Port matched exhaust manifolds, 9" K&N cone, ***NEW*** - 85MM F-body Tuned TB
There is no way these mods = 13.99, there is no cam, headers, computer or transmission work???

and an 85mm F body TB, why?? the factory TB flows more than the engine needs and bigger valves will not do anything without a cam.
The grand prix community has the fastest 3800 vehicles, if not who is faster?, even Scott Cook is putting the drivetrain from his SSEI into a white GTP he just purchased.

I don't wave The B.*. flag often but 13.99 in a N/A Bonneville is not possible, when we haven't even hit that in a GP with alot more mods and the complete backing of Scott and Intense and Charles from DHP..

Fast guys like to get the respect from being fast, if this is a true time than a Bonneville has made history big time, if Scott Cook or Zoomer from ZZP read this they would just laugh.

my .02..
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ZZP GT rockers, Random Tech 9000 Hi-Flow Cat, stock muffler, no resonator, Ported and Polished heads--3% oversized intake and 5% oversized exhaust valves, Port matched exhaust manifolds, 9" K&N cone, ***NEW*** - 85MM F-body Tuned TB
There is no way these mods = 13.99, there is no cam, headers, computer or transmission work???

and an 85mm F body TB, why?? the factory TB flows more than the engine needs and bigger valves will not do anything without a cam.
The grand prix community has the fastest 3800 vehicles, if not who is faster?, even Scott Cook is putting the drivetrain from his SSEI into a white GTP he just purchased.


I don't wave The B.*. flag often but 13.99 in a N/A Bonneville is not possible, when we haven't even hit that in a GP with alot more mods and the complete backing of Scott and Intense and Charles from DHP..

Fast guys like to get the respect from being fast, if this is a true time than a Bonneville has made history big time, if Scott Cook or Zoomer from ZZP read this they would just laugh.

my .02..


The Grand Prix theory is that all people who have a Grand Prix seem to think they have the best car EVER not to mention the fact that most people I've met with them seem to think that they have the hottest thing to come off the assembly line since the Batmobile.

The Bonneville is also the FIRST front wheel drive car to exceed speeds of 200mph so there'* a dose of history for you right there. And one more; there is also a GTP in the 11 second range, and guess what?? Last I heard Scott Cook'* Bonnie was only about .04 seconds behind! :
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N/A L36 2002 Impala LS here.....
I'm running low 15s right now, but am about to add some major mods and hope to be 14.0 or 13.99 soon. That'* just to let you know where I'm coming from...

Anyway, I'm not gonna throw out any accusations about lying, but I am going to ask a few questions, and I'd appreciate it if you answered them honestly.

1. Is it true that you ran a 13.99 in a N/A L36 Bonneville?
2. Is you car stripped down for weight/any weight reduction?
3. Did you use Nitrous Oxide on the run?
4. Do you have any custom engine work that wasn't listed in your mods list?
5. Will you please post your complete mod list?

I have my mods pretty planned out for the future, but if this is true and you did it without NO2 or major weight reduction, it might be something to look at. Thanks, and look forward to hearing from you...
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Alright people, take it easy. You can't expect everyone to know all the other cars in the world. Can't expect all Bonneville drivers to know all the aspects of a Grand Prix and vice versa.

GTX COWBOY - I can ask Turtle and see if he can did a timeslip for you. Uhh.... his mods are....... alot. He is crazy dude, crazier than ZZP and Intense combined. Trust me. And take it easy, we like to keep this forum friendly, I have only locked 2 threads, don't want to make this a 3rd.

Same w/ you Tamara, just take it easy and we can show GTX Cowboy that it is possible to have a L36 N/A in the 13'*.

atbear - To answer your questions....

1. Yes it is true, just assuming Grand Prix'* are the only ones modifying their cars and they can go faster cause they are "lighter". That is not necessairly true, you are comparing the SSEi to the GTP but the SE'* are much much lighter. One of our board members have a 95 Bonneville SE w/ a L67 in it. It'* from the factory like that, there were a few years that Pontiac offered the L67 in Bonneville SE'*.

2. None of the cars that run at the track are stripped down. Just as they turn on the key from their homes to the track is exactly how it is, spare tire/jack and all. I know quite a few GTP guys like to get rid of those but most of the fast people here don't and hte times they post here are with everything in the car.

3. Nitrous Oxide is used but the two mentioned people in the 13'* are doing it N/A first. Then when they turn on the juice its in the mid-low 13'* soon high 12'*. I know Turtle loves his N20. :P

4. They both have custom work in large amounts. Turtle'* mod list changes frequently so he doesn't keep up, he just gives you a .... general idea.

5. It'* up to them to post, but I know if they do, it will be many paragraphs long. We shall see if they take the time. But for you to reproduce those mods are tough becaues quite a few of them are expensive or are 1 off'*.
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Well, considering it is the 3800 in both the Bonneville and Grand Prix now, the only more mod potential a Grand Prix has than a Bonneville is cosmetic...and big deal, do you really think that Type R sticker is going to make you any faster?

1999 Grand Prix GTP: Weight: 3396 lbs.
http://pda.edmunds.com/used/1999/pon...imensions.html
1999 Bonneville SSEi : Weight: 3691 lbs.
http://pda.edmunds.com/used/1999/pon...imensions.html

That'* 295 Pounds....however I was basing the 200lbs difference on my 1995 SE, and, in which case, there is only 50lbs difference. Neither are anywhere near 400lbs


And you knwo, I think I know a bit about Grand Prixs and their performance and handling too. I''ve driven them quite a few times, even the new ones when I was shopping for my new car. NO WAY...ii'd take ANY Bonneville over ANY Grand Prix ANY day.

You come in here accusing people of lying and saying that 13seconds aren't possible, meanwhile there are several Grand Prixs AND BONNEVILLES in that time range. Don't come spouting off until you get your facts straight...I suggest you stick around Club Gp if you are going to be like that... at least you will fit in there .

I can't wait for those time slips to prove you wrong!
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Well, considering it is the 3800 in both the Bonneville and Grand Prix now, the only more mod potential a Grand Prix has than a Bonneville is cosmetic...and big deal, do you really think that Type R sticker is going to make you any faster?

You come in here accusing people of lying and saying that 13seconds aren't possible, meanwhile there are several Grand Prixs AND BONNEVILLES in that time range.
Um... well there'* the whole weight difference approx 300lbs.

And also, there are NO L36 Bonnevilles or Grand Prixs in that time range that I know about.... so what are you talking about there??
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I'd like to personally invite everyone to INTENSE Drag Day #3 (IDD III), to be held April 12th at National Trail Raceway. Some of you may have seen the very nice writeup on IDD I and IDD II that came out in last week'* High Performance Pontiac magazine. This will be a MAJOR opportunity to meet other folks modifying the L36 and L67 powerplants, and see who can actually 'walk the walk'.

Please check out all the details at www.INTENSE-Racing.com.

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Not too many people realize the the GP had a much better engine than the 3800 line in it between the years of 1991-1996. Labeled "the black sheep of the Gm engine line", it'* prototype produced a total of 281 hp, and without a blower! Yes I am talking about the LQ1, a 3.4 Litre DOHC engine. I am sure that if GM had decided to continue the DOHC engine into the 2nd Generation era of the GP, this arguement betwixt the GPers and the Bonny fans would not be happening... I also guess that GM has realized the error of its ways as a new DOHC engine is going to appear in the next few years, materializing in the form of a 3.6 DOHC engine...

I also think that you need to re-evaluate your comments about the 3800 engine in this case. Just because you have more displacement doesn't make you better than me...
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