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Old 06-08-2006, 10:04 PM   #1
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Ecore oil filter failure!

I did not know what an Ecore oil filter was till I saw this.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...c;f=6;t=003729

This shows what an Ecore looks like.
http://www.champlabs.com/ECOREBROCHURE.pdf


Things were simpler when an AC Delco oil filter was made by AC Delco.
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Man lost a BB Chevy because of Ecore filter.

He was using a AC Delco PF-1218 made by Champion Labs and had no clue that the filter had plastic inside.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi

Click on oil filters.

The center section of an average oil filter uses a steel tube with many holes that lets the oil pass through.
The Ecore filter made by Champion Labs uses a cheap plastic cage in place of the steel tube.

http://www.champlabs.com/Ecore.htm






Champ Labs makes filters for these companies so look out.
Bosch
Car and Driver
Deutsch
Mobil 1
STP
SuperTech
K&N
Valvoline filters
Mighty
Service Champ
Lee
AutoZone Value Craft
Some AC Delco
VW (some)
Warner
Luberfiner
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i'll keep my fram, thanks.
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i'll keep my fram, thanks.
And you will be fine until the cardboard breaks down...
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i'll keep my fram, thanks.
you got to be kidding...thos are just as bad!!!!!!

Know all about them;

Not all thoes filters are Ecore form by the way..

And yes stay far away from thos,,your pressure relife ever fails look out

At this point in time i,ve swiched over to NAPA GOLDS (WIX) and M1
there top of line filters,very good, i've yet to find a Ecore M1,,AC delco is to inconsistent
on ther filters any more, to many companys making them.

Good by AC Delco,, hello NAPA GOLD(WIX makes napa gold by the way)
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“Not all those filters are Ecore form by the way..”


So far the only Ecore filters I have found are AC Delco PF 1218 and that does not mean all PF 1218 filters are Ecore.
Autozone is selling a AC Delco PF 47 and PF 52 that are made by Champion Labs and so far they are not Ecore filters but that can change.

Looked at a SuperTech oil filter at Wal-mart that interchanges with a PF 47and they had the Ecore plastic cage inside. Last year the same part number SuperTech filters were all steel construction and looked exactly like the PF 47 that AZ sells.

The point is if you use any oil filters that might be made by Champion Labs look and see if it has a plastic Ecore centerpiece.

I have enough to worry about without having to worry about a cheap piece of plastic killing my motor.
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i'll keep my fram, thanks.
I was just thoinking that. I just did a fluid/filter sway on the Burb and Bonnie with the Fram. What I cannot get over is K&N

I have never had a problem with he Fram.
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i'll keep my fram, thanks.

I have never had a problem with he Fram.
Cut one open,,,you'll have a problem!!!!!!!

Pan down and read the post on FRAM...lol,,and this is just one of many many studys
of this cheap pice of sh*t orange can of death called a filter!!!
http://mymiata.paladinmicro.com/MiataOFilters.htm

here'* another,,look for the FRAM wright up;
http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html

FRAM filters are a POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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and so are Ecors..

Ive cut many filters open,,some will scare ya
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“Not all those filters are Ecore form by the way..”


So far the only Ecore filters I have found are AC Delco PF 1218 and that does not mean all PF 1218 filters are Ecore.
Autozone is selling a AC Delco PF 47 and PF 52 that are made by Champion Labs and so far they are not Ecore filters but that can change.

Looked at a SuperTech oil filter at Wal-mart that interchanges with a PF 47and they had the Ecore plastic cage inside. Last year the same part number SuperTech filters were all steel construction and looked exactly like the PF 47 that AZ sells.

The point is if you use any oil filters that might be made by Champion Labs look and see if it has a plastic Ecore centerpiece.

I have enough to worry about without having to worry about a cheap piece of plastic killing my motor.
At my AA store ALL the 1218'* and 52'* are sh*t cores now

educate your self people,,your Bonny'* health depends on it.........
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Here'* the problem the poor boy had,, not good(from BITOG);

We've had a recent experience with the new Ecore design oil filter that we thought was worth sharing and that may be of interest to others. We purchased a fresh stock of oil filters this spring for our cars and trucks at a local AZ. We change our own oil, and we like to keep all of our GM cars and trucks all GM, just like the little sticker on the air cleaner housing on the old cars used to remind us to do, so we typically use only AC Delco products. We've been doing it for 29 years now and have been fortunate enough to not have had one problem in all those years. We've been using a PF1218 on all our big block Chevy motors with good results for probably the last 6-7 years. This spring we noticed the filters were slightly shorter in length, but the part number remained the same. It was the same part number we've known and trusted for years. So we did a oil change on the car this spring with the new filter. We had driven it for a good portion of the day, some of it at WOT for a few seconds, when suddenly the idle dropped to about 500 rpm, and then the motor shut down. We tried to restart it, but now it had a rapping sound coming from the #7 cylinder. We pulled the valve covers off, but everything was fine there. We trailered the car home and took the oil pan off. Things were looking OK until we got to the #7 & #8 rod bearing caps. Both caps were blackened. We pulled the motor from the car and disassembled it. The rod bearings were roasted. The main bearings were junk too. Bearing material was all over in the bottom of the oil pan. It looked like a classic oil starvation event. We then inspected the filter. It looked a little strange. The filter media was coming out of the oil exit hole. We turned it upside down to drain it, and found that the new Ecore had collapsed inside, allowing the filter media to come loose and plug the oulet. The motor had good oil pressure, 50-60lbs, all day long until it quit running. Total tally on the parts were 2 wrecked rods, a crankshaft with a crack in the center of the #7 rod journal, a complete set of main and rod bearings and a gasket set. The motor was barely 3 years old with less than average mileage. The motor had a PF1218 on it when we purchased it and it'* all we've ever used on it. Valvoline 20W-50 was the only oil it'* ever seen. We took the filter to a GM garage to see if they have had any similar experience. The first comment made by the parts manager was that the filter could be a counterfeit. He mentioned that there were some problems out there with fake parts. We got on the AC Delco website to check things out. There was a phone number to call. We were able to talk to a very nice lady who helped us to verify that it was in fact a genuine OE part. She told us it was manufactured by Champ Labs. We then went to the Champ Labs website and found their Technical Hotline. We again found a very helpful person who sent us a product retreival kit. We've gotten the oil filter sent back to Champ Labs, but have not heard back from them yet. They mentioned it takes up to 15 days. We're really curious about what happened because we're a little concerned about using another Ecore filter until we understand what happened to this one. This was our first experience with an Ecore design. Fortunately, we've had folks willing to help us get this far. We've read the information on the new Ecore design, and from an engineering perspective, we'd agree that the new design should produce a more efficient filter. All the logic behind the changes seemed to make sense. The brochure for the Ecore says the collapse strength is higher because the nylon Ecore is stonger, has a greater flow capacity from more open area and less filter media contamination than a steel core.

We'll update our post once we hear back from Champ Labs about the reason for the failure. We're hoping it was a rare manufacturing flaw. In the means time, we've got a big block Chevy to rebuild.

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