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Old 08-12-2002, 02:31 PM   #1
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OK, as some of you know I brought up the concept of a diesel powered bonneville in chat a week or so ago for the purpose of fuel economy.

Well last night I actually had a dream about owning one! The car was the exact car as mine, a 92 SE, with the regular column shift on the right of the column but there was another lever on the left side of the column. This switched the HYBRID 3800 from gas to diesel mode!! it was incredible i tell you!!

they should build some
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I had the same dream but mine switched to jet fuel and the effect I have to say is amazing. LOL the sound is even better. Actually my dream was so detailed you could even see the engine cooking as the dash melted and the skin peeled off my face. Ok so Iím messed up. Every chance I get Iím going to push home grown alcohol mixed fuel cuz its clean and it supports America!!!! Just think with an alcohol mix we could clean our air 10 fold and pay our own economy all the profits from fuel sales. Grrrrrrrrrrr Our government wonít let it happen and thatí* because they are bitches to the oil companies. LOL well paid too. Whi$ky in the tank is what my heart yearns for.

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P.*. Look it up you will find there is no good reason to not do it. Just political opinions.
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The jet fuel has been done before... I can testify to that too. I have friends who use to do it over at the Hamilton airport ( before it became commercialized ) back in the 60'* - 70'*. I did it once to my 69 Nova back when I was 16. Half tank 300Octane jet fuel, and half tank regular unleaded. The Nova could easily pick up the front end when the tires are warmed up. Another guy tried the full tank with pure jet fuel ... it burned a hold right through one piston.. and shot another piston right through the hood !! LOL It'* hard to come by jet fuels now... espcially after 9/11.
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GM tried using regular engines on diesal back in the '80s. They were ****-poor as far as reliability was concerned. GM Powertrain didn't have the best of luck back in the 70s and 80s (8-6-4, Crossfire, ugh).
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The jet fuel has been done before... I can testify to that too. I have friends who use to do it over at the Hamilton airport ( before it became commercialized ) back in the 60'* - 70'*. I did it once to my 69 Nova back when I was 16. Half tank 300Octane jet fuel, and half tank regular unleaded. The Nova could easily pick up the front end when the tires are warmed up. Another guy tried the full tank with pure jet fuel ... it burned a hold right through one piston.. and shot another piston right through the hood !! LOL It'* hard to come by jet fuels now... espcially after 9/11.

My kind of people ya 9/11 ruined all that back yard fun. LOL

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My kind of people ya 9/11 ruined all that back yard fun. LOL

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I heard a lot of stories about using jet fuel from the older guys that use to hang around there... From blowing a CV joint ( on jet fuel again ) through the floor.. ripping the roof in half and taking the drivers right leg around his neck and broke his leg in 4 places ( couldn't handle the power ) .. to racing for pinks ( or green here ) by laying the most rubber.. ( buddy laid down 400 feet of rubber by going between 80 - 100 miles.. shoving the car into reverse.. stepped on it.. near the end of it.. they said they see a nice big explosion from under the car and the tranny blew out into millions of pieces.. but he won the car.. minus a tranny ha ha ) . Now you can't even think about street racing in an closed industrial road without cops being an ***. I can totally understand the cops for being ****** for racing on a busy artery or a well used road.. but in an industrial area ( where there is only 2 entrance usually stationed by individual with cars that sits there and notify us if there are cars coming in.. ) I don't see why not. Hell between the money they spend on their wives and their cars ( or maybe their wives are their car ), some people can't afford the 40 plus dollars a day to go to a strip.
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i read about the V8-6-4 used by Cadillac, it kinda seems ingenious if it would just work right.
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i read about the V8-6-4 used by Cadillac, it kinda seems ingenious if it would just work right.
The main problem with the North Star engine the Caddy'* use is that the engine block actually is 2 piece and held together through bolts. ( Instead of one solid block ). I agree that these engines are sweet. But however.. I find that they are really good reliable engine.. or down right fall apart easier to go get a new engine all together. Never a real happy mediam

I would still personally stick with my L67 since it'* highly upgradeble.. my 2 cents
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Although I agree to some degree when pursuing raw hp the n* can put out crazy amounts without too much invested. Think; it comes with 300hp just a good head and cam job can net you around another 100hp. This block is the same block used by many racecars as is with new innards. So now with 400hp you have spent considerably less than if you built a l67 3.8l to this speck. Not sure exact $ #* on Scotts car. Also within California you could smog this 400hp engine where as you could not smog the 3.8 with 400hp. That said the cheapest way to power is to take a sc bonnie and put a pulley on it and ad a few goddies. In the end 300hp should be no problem. I think you might be able to get away with smoging it as well. Just a guess though. Personally I love old push rod engines and am looking to improve 4.9 past the 300hp mark to the 400hp mark. I love that lumpy cam sound. Even if it takes a turbo to do it Iím going to have my hotrod sound and feel in my Bonnie. If that wont work I have a plan for the Northstar that will work. Ill have the hot rod feel one way or another. Donít tell me about old cars if I wanted one I would have one.


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i read about the V8-6-4 used by Cadillac, it kinda seems ingenious if it would just work right.
The main problem with the North Star engine the Caddy'* use is that the engine block actually is 2 piece and held together through bolts. ( Instead of one solid block ). I agree that these engines are sweet. But however.. I find that they are really good reliable engine.. or down right fall apart easier to go get a new engine all together. Never a real happy mediam

I would still personally stick with my L67 since it'* highly upgradeble.. my 2 cents
The Northstar and the V8-6-4 aren't the same engine. The V8-6-4 was a 368ci V8 used in the 1981 model year Caddies. It had cylinder deactivation and could go down to 6 or 4 cylinders, hence the name V8-6-4. Unfortunately it never worked very well at all.

Interestingly enough Mercedes has, 20 years later, employed the same type of system in their V12 S600, it will go down to 6 cylinders under certain conditions. And it actually works well from what I've heard.
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