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Old 12-18-2006, 03:17 PM   #31
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Hans, as I told you on the phone Saturday, stay very far away from a Bonneville with low oil pressure.
what are causes of low oil pressure on the 3800?
I wonder if these have problems with the rod bearings?
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Hans, as I told you on the phone Saturday, stay very far away from a Bonneville with low oil pressure.
what are causes of low oil pressure on the 3800?
The motor is about to puke. Our oil pumps are fairly bulletproof... it could be a stuck pressure thingy (who has the right term for the part behind the filter adapter?), but usually I thought they stuck high..not low.

It'* a warning to run for cover from this car.
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Hans, as I told you on the phone Saturday, stay very far away from a Bonneville with low oil pressure.
what are causes of low oil pressure on the 3800?
I wonder if these have problems with the rod bearings?
Problems? Not common. But occasionally maybe. This is a rare one. I'd suspect the LIM gaskets are leaking, raising the possibility of rusted crank journals/rod bearings.
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Hans, as I told you on the phone Saturday, stay very far away from a Bonneville with low oil pressure.
what are causes of low oil pressure on the 3800?
The motor is about to puke. Our oil pumps are fairly bulletproof... it could be a stuck pressure thingy (who has the right term for the part behind the filter adapter?), but usually I thought they stuck high..not low.

It'* a warning to run for cover from this car.
Are you refering to the pressure releif valve? If those stick open I'd think you'd read constant low.
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It'* either low or high..I remember JimmyFloyd bought a car with one that was high and it blew as well.
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... I'd try to talk them down to $2600 due to the known issues it has, and the possibility of some major issues. If they don't budge, I'd walk...
These cars seem to command a higher price here in the west. $2600 would be awful low for a Bonneville out here. [Side bar - You should have seen the clapped-out 92 SSE for $2500 I saw in Minot ND last week. Rusty, some dents, front end plastic missing...a real POS!...they'd be lucky to get $200 for it, IMO.] Keep in mind that everything is so spread out in this area that high mileage most likely includes a lot of highway time. We do seem to put more miles on our cars, though. And we don't get near the rust problems in this arid region that some of you get back east (you schleps in MI, I FEEL your pain ), so bodies tend to last a bit longer.
Very true. Good points! I'm still worried about that oil pressure. It could be terminal. But whether the dealerhship would understand that and lower the price to accomodate for some possible future loss is another unknown. I wouldn't get that car, but I'd offer them a grand less to see how they responded.
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... I'd try to talk them down to $2600 due to the known issues it has, and the possibility of some major issues. If they don't budge, I'd walk...
These cars seem to command a higher price here in the west. $2600 would be awful low for a Bonneville out here. [Side bar - You should have seen the clapped-out 92 SSE for $2500 I saw in Minot ND last week. Rusty, some dents, front end plastic missing...a real POS!...they'd be lucky to get $200 for it, IMO.] Keep in mind that everything is so spread out in this area that high mileage most likely includes a lot of highway time. We do seem to put more miles on our cars, though. And we don't get near the rust problems in this arid region that some of you get back east (you schleps in MI, I FEEL your pain ), so bodies tend to last a bit longer.
Very true. Good points! I'm still worried about that oil pressure. It could be terminal. But whether the dealerhship would understand that and lower the price to accomodate for some possible future loss is another unknown. I wouldn't get that car, but I'd offer them a grand less to see how they responded.
Agreed. I'm with everyone else being concerned with oil pressure. Hans would need to determine whether or not the gauge is accurate. If it is, I'd subtract the cost of having the engine rebuilt from the price of the car (probably more than $1000), then rebuild the engine myself (but that'* just me!). And that'* assuming the rest of the car is in excellent condition.
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OK, before everyone goes totally off the dep end, did you get a chance to actually look at the oil?? Old dino-juice tends to thin, and show low pressure at idle. I've seen my oil pressure change a lot from just an oil change.

It'* still a good bargaining tool, but it could (hopefully) be something as simple as an oilo change to fix her up....

Somebody has to hope for the best, right???

And the dealer sticker will come right off with a little patince and a gentle touch. Mine had a sticker in the exact same spot, but I carefully took an Exacto knife to slowly and carefully peel it up. Then a little Goof-Off or Goo-Gone to get rid of the leftover glue. Not a scratch, and with a good wash/wax afterwards you'd never know it was there...
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Somebody has to hope for the best, right???
Let me say this is my final post in this thread. A friend is looking to make a mistake.. BIG..HUGE mistake. At this point..if Hans buys the car...he is being stupid.

Let'* remind our readers what the last low oil pressure car did for Hans
http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...t=oil+pressure

Gave him nothing but trouble and cost money in the end.
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Conclusion to the orginal thread and the story behind it. I thought I'd reply to all of the posts to clarify a few things and demonstrate that the oil senders among other things on these cars are easy to fix depending on the car/situation.

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According to the dealership which has the service records of the car, the only repair they show was an alternator, 20,000 miles ago. EVERYTHING on the car is original
LIM gaskets were also replaced recently, they looked brand new. replaced anyway.
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~17PSI of oil pressure at idle, 50-60 at WOT, 45ish at 80mph crusing
It handles the corners WORSE than my car, the suspension is surely orginal
Replaced the sender, now has 80PSI at WOT, never gets below past about 30 or so. 45 to 50 while driving at 1500RPM.
poor handling was caused by a low front tire (20psi vs 40psi in the other one), it now handles signifcantly better than the 93 in perform shift mode and about the same in touring mode.
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HUD is broken
No problem, needed to be adjusted.
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Brake light comes on during heavy braking
- Brake light was an EASY fix, just low on fluid, brakes need to be replaced and the heavy braking OR acceleration was causing the fluid to SLOSH around and cause the BRAKE failure light...aka death light when it comes to master cylinders
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Major oil leak at the valve covers.
$60 to fix both sides and gromets, no leaks at all now.
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Look at the plug wires, I believe they are the ones WILLWREN loves lol.
$35 for belden premiums

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Hans, check the core support and inner fenders. That front close-up look funny, like the hood is high, and the bumper is drooping. Personal opinion, 30% chance that thing has had a front hit, bad enough to hurt the core support.
If that'* OK, jump on it, then readjust the fit.
The hood needed to be adjusted, no accidents. Easy fix here.

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Have that engine oil psi tested with a real gage first, you dont want an engine with poor oil psi
Nice color lol
I replaced the sender ($40) and all is normal now...this was cheaper than a mechanical gauge. (well to have it tested or test myself)

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Hans, as I told you on the phone Saturday, stay very far away from a Bonneville with low oil pressure.
what are causes of low oil pressure on the 3800?
The motor is about to puke. Our oil pumps are fairly bulletproof... it could be a stuck pressure thingy (who has the right term for the part behind the filter adapter?), but usually I thought they stuck high..not low.

It'* a warning to run for cover from this car.
wren - Again, the sender was bad, it was not pegged by 20 PSI low.
Custom88 - bad bearings (several options,crank journals, worn engine, bad sender etc.
Boosty - Yep check earlier comments about the "lucky/easy" fix

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OK, before everyone goes totally off the dep end, did you get a chance to actually look at the oil?? Old dino-juice tends to thin, and show low pressure at idle. I've seen my oil pressure change a lot from just an oil change.
The oil was ok, even though it was a year old, no oil presure was gained from an oil change. I used 10-w30

Overall its been the best investment I have ever made, even if the trans dies it is still no biggie since I have that budgeted in with the low cost I got the car for.

It also goes to show if you see an SSEi with problems on the lot, lowball the heck out of them and WAIT....you may end up with a deal like I got.

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My intenions here are to Not say your low oil pressure problem or brake light problem will be as easy as mine was..I had a 94SSEi with bad lim gaskets that REALLY DID have low oil pressure..this one did not however...again, to be sure and before you sink good money into ANY ssei or bonneville for that matter, make sure its NOT the gague and it has good oil pressure, really low oil pressure CAN cause serious problems in any motor..This thread just points out that if a sender fails, it can be reading 20PSI low.....Most often the gauge will be pegged though, my case was a RARE failure I have never read about on the forums.
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